100 Modern historians about the greekness of ancient Macedonia
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- Modern historians about Macedonia – Robin Lane Fox
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Stoneman
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Ulrich Wilcken
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Eugene Borza
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Ernst Badian
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Charles Edson
- Modern historians about Macedonia – John Maxwell O’Brien
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Billows
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Bernard Randall
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Thomas R Martin
- Modern historians about Macedonia – M. Cary
- Modern historians about Macedonia – A.J.Toynbee
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Robin W Winks
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Agnes Savill
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Kenneth Meyer Setton
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Peter Green
- Modern historians about Macedonia – A. R. Burn
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Jonathan M. Hall
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Stoneman
- Modern historians about Macedonia – M. E. Thalheimer
- Modern historians about Macedonia – J. E. G. Whitehorne
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Anthony E. David
- Modern historians about Macedonia – George Cawkwell
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Fergus Millar
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Chester G. Starr
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- Modern historians about Macedonia – Victor Ehrenberg
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- Modern historians about Macedonia – James S. Romm
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Hilding Thylander
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Graham Shipley
- Modern historians about Macedonia – P. M. Fraser
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Robin Osborne
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Jacques Pirenne
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – M. C. Howatson
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – William Pinnock
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Ernst Curtius
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – J. C. Stobart
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Walter M. Ellis
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Eric Carlton
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Irad Malkin
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Carl J. Richard
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Alan Fildes
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – John Anthony Crame
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Donald P. Ryan
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Charles Gates
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – J. D. Fage
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Theodor Mommsen
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Donald R. Dudley
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Anthony E. David
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – René Grousset
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Samouel Eddy
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – David Sacks
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Richard Gabriel
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Martin Sicker
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – L.S. Stavrianos
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Peter Tsouras
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – E. Bevan
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Katja Mueller
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Francois Chamoux
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Philip Hughes
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – R.M. Cook
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – J. M. Roberts
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Mary Renault
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Bernard Randall
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Paul Cartledge
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Hermann Bengtson
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Mortimer Chambers
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Jacob Abbott
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – A. B. Bossworth
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – John A. Fine
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Rene Guerdan
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – David H. Levinson
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Bim Sherman
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Katheryn A. Bard
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Ernest Barker
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Henri-Daniel Rops
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Archaeological Institute of America
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Francis S. Marvin
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Nigel Cawthorne
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Stella Myller-Collet
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Louis- Pierre Anquetil
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – George Rawlinson
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Michael Wood
- Modern historians about Macedonia – John Pentland Mahaffy
- Modern historians about Macedonia – John B. Teeple
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Elisabeth Gaynor Ellis
- Modern historians about Macedonia – John Mounteney
- Modern historians about Macedonia – John Lewis Burckhardt
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Benjamin Ide Wheeler
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Norman Karol Gottwald
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Nigel Guy Wilson
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Watson
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Kathryn A. Morgan
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Mogens Herman Hansen
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Brownson Quarterly Review
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Mark Grossman
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Robert Morkot
- Modern historians about Macedonia – J. J. Pollitt
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Eric Carlton
- Modern historians about Macedonia – J. Jayapalan
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Michael Norris
- Modern historians about Macedonia – J. R. Hamilton
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Stephen G. Miller
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Joe Cribb
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Usborne Illustrated World History
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- Modern historians about Macedonia – Anne Pearson
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- Modern historians about Macedonia – Biblical Archaeology Review
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- Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard De Neufville
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Joseph M. Bryant
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Frank Lipsius
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Percy Gardner
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Jean-Yves Empereur
- Modern historians about Macedonia – W. Clarysse
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Michael Meier Bruegger
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Donald Kagan
- Modern historians about Macedonia – Simon hornblower
- Modern historians about Macedonia – M. T. Kerrigan
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – William Woodthorpe Tarn
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – David Neiman
- Modern Historians about Macedonia – Berel Wein
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“Can someone please explain to me why the FYROMers don’t want the term Paeonians for them selves and Republic of Paeonia or simply Paeonia for they country ?”
First, let me get one thing straight -- I am a philhellene. Having studied Hellenic history for several decades and having studied the language for four years at a university, I believe I have some credibility to speak on the issue.
I agree with Αιγίδιον Μακεδονίδος. Paionia (or Paeonia) is a perfectly good name for FYROM. Look on any historical atlas and you will see that name right in the middle of where modern FYROM is today. I am not sure if the Greek negotiators (at the UN-sponsored talks about the name issue) ever proposed Paionia as a possible name. Why not? -- It has a nice sound to it; it does have its own ancient (though limited) history and its own line of rulers (please refer to Wikipedia on this one).
Unfortunately, because some nations have recognized FYROM as the “RoM”, they probably now believe that if they wait long enough the rest of the world will come around to their position.
Oh, and while I am at it, I personally apologize to the rest of the world for that incompetent dunce who calls himself the U.S. President for these last eight years. Growing up in this country, I have come to learn that U.S. foreign policy does not necessarily support those who are in the right. During the Cold War, the U.S. willingly supported several repressive regimes on the sole reason that they declared themselves to be anti-communist. But, now, U.S. foreign policy has changed -- it now favors just stability and often at the expense of those who are in the right. Therefore, it has rewarded FYROM for its “significant” contribution to the Iraqi War (I believe they contributed all of 70 troops) by recognizing it as the “RoM”. Talk about endangering a long-term friendship for a short-term whim! Please, do not be misled -- the U.S. is not as altruistic as it constantly trumpets to the rest of the world -- and I live here!
“There is a little Greek in all civilized men.” -- F. von Schiller
Paionia (or Paeonia) is a perfectly good name for FYROM… wtf ?!! Who are you people to judge on who Am I??
Enlight me please.. btw that greek prpaganda with "authors" like this guy isn't touching me & and my compatriots, fellow Macedonians!
Live a Life, TROLS…
The right question is… who are YOU to steal a Greek name and want to use it for yourself? Your people are Slavs having NOTHING to do with ancient Greek people. Better finally to wake up!!
Μόνο ένας έμπειρος ψυχίατρος-ψυχαναλυτής μπορεί να τους αλλάξει άποψη. Η ψύχωση τους είναι πολύ βαθειά. Χρειάζεται χρόνια θεραπεία και όχι μια αμερικανικού τύπου (promplem solving) ταχεία λύση.
Aigidion join the Greek forum about Macedonian history http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum. You ll find lots of other people who are into ancient history and share your views.
oooo And another thing ..How else could the Aelophons Magnetes be considered “brothers” of the North-Western Greek speakers Macedonians by Hesiod and in his statements of the greek mythology and the suns of Deukalion ?? I think if they don’t speak the same dialect of greek the only other reason to be “brothers” in mythology ..the first attempt of classification , is that Macedonians and Magnetes lived in the some zone for a certain period and then the Magnetes were driven away.
Homer knows the regions Emathia e Pieria even if in his time Emathia was Bottiea and inhabited by Bottians who were Minoan Colonists from Crete that probably spoke e pre-Greek language and came to the region near 1400 B.C. when the Acheans invaded Minoan Crete and Pieria was inhabited by Thracians . Macedonians in this period were located at the upper Haliakmon river as “Maketae” or “Makedni”. Nevertheless the names Emathia , Pieria and the near Mygdonia (which before the Macedonians conquered it was inhabitated by Thracians and Paeonians) are names that safely derive fron greek since Emathia means “sandy” (ημαθόεν) , Pieria means rich/fertile/well chosen (Πῖαρ) and Mygdonia means region of the gulf (Μυχός γδων). What I’m asking for is it possible that before the Macedonian arrival in the coastal zones of the Thermaic golf there were other greek tribes that named these territories and were driven away by Thracians , Paeonians , Teucrians and Mysians , Troian Allies that invated towards west ?
«…ἐσβαλόντες …τὸν Μυσῶν τε καὶ Τευκρῶν τὸν πρὸ τῶν Τρωικῶν γενόμενον , οἵ διαβάντες ἐς τὴν Εὐρώπην κατὰ Βόσπορον τούς τε Θρήικας κατεστρέψαντο πάντας καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰόνιον πόντον κατέβησαν μέχρι τε Πηνειοῦ ποταμοῦ τὸ πρὸς μεσαμβρίης ἤλασαν.»
(Herodotus 7.20.2)
Could these greek tribes that were driven away be the Aelophones Magnetes that finished south of the Penius river and could they initialy finished in the Thermaic Gulf region as colonists of the Mycenean Centers that were congestioned end made large scale colonizations to decongest during the 1300 BC period when they colonized Crete , Aegian , Cyprus and continental Greece??
How else could these regions have greek names before the arrival of the Macedons ???
Can someone please explain to me why the FYROMers don’t want the term Paeonians for them selves and Republic of Paeonia or simply Paeonia for they country ? If we look the geography in ancient times the biggest part of their state was Paeonian territory and only a little part (Pelagonia) was Macedonian and another little part was Illyrian. Furthermore , from what I know until now ,Pelagonia was inhabitated by Molossian tribes that spoke the North Western Greek dialect and lately , as all the other Molossian tribes of the upper Macedonia, were annexed politicaly by the Macedonians of the lower Macedonia or the Old Macedonian Kingdom .Paeonia from the other hand was simple a vassal state to Macedonia that was never politicaly annexed and the proof of that is that Paeonians and other vassaled state citizens never entered the Macedonian Phalanx ,but were independent units more auxiliary . In Hammonds History of Macedonia I read that in Philip’s times one could obtain the name “Macedonian” if he was a part of the regal forces Cavalry or Phalanx and in the Macedonian Phalanx there were only greek-speaking soldiers and further more before Philip , the king’s “hypaspistes” then said “pezeteroi” were only from the old kingdom and the only ones that spoke the Macedonian dialect. Correct me if I’m wrong , but from what I’ve understand the only ones who spoke the Macedonian dialect were the inhabitants of the Old Kingdon in lower or coastal Macedonia (Pieria , Emathia , Bottiea ,Almopia , oriental Eordea)
and those derive from a more little area of the Old Kingdom that Herodotus (7.131) names it Makedonis with northern borders in the union between Haliakmon and Loudias rivers :
«…μέχρι Λυδίεώ τε ποταμοῦ καὶ Αλιάκμονος , οἵ οὐρίζουσι γῆν τὴν Βοττιαιίδα τε καὶ Μακεδονίδα , ἐς τὠυτὸ ῥέεθρον τὸ ὕδωρ συμμίσγοντες»
Herodotus also knows the mountain of “Μακεδονίς Γῆ” like Macedonian Mounain , today named Pierian in (7.127) :
«…Περὶ Πιερίην …ὄρος τὸ Μακεδονικὸν…»
Can someone explain to me how that population can be related with the Paeonians when among the two there were the Bottieans that claimed to be Minoan colonists from Crete ??