100 Modern historians about the greekness of ancient Macedonia

in Ancient Macedonian History, FYROM Propaganda, Modern Historians, Skopjan Propaganda / by / on August 21, 2007 at 1:18 am /

  1.  Modern historians about Macedonia – N.G.L Hammond
  2.  Modern historians about Macedonia – R. Malcolm Errington
  3. Modern historians about Macedonia – Robin Lane Fox
  4. Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Stoneman
  5. Modern historians about Macedonia – Ulrich Wilcken
  6. Modern historians about Macedonia – Eugene Borza
  7. Modern historians about Macedonia – Ernst Badian
  8. Modern historians about Macedonia – Charles Edson
  9. Modern historians about Macedonia – John Maxwell O’Brien
  10. Modern historians about  Macedonia – Richard Billows
  11. Modern historians about Macedonia – Bernard Randall
  12. Modern historians about Macedonia – Thomas R Martin
  13. Modern historians about Macedonia – M. Cary
  14. Modern historians about Macedonia – A.J.Toynbee
  15. Modern historians about Macedonia – Robin W Winks
  16. Modern historians about Macedonia – Agnes Savill
  17. Modern historians about Macedonia – Kenneth Meyer Setton
  18. Modern historians about Macedonia – Peter Green
  19. Modern historians about Macedonia – A. R. Burn
  20. Modern historians about Macedonia – Jonathan M. Hall
  21. Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Stoneman
  22. Modern historians about Macedonia – M. E. Thalheimer
  23. Modern historians about Macedonia – J. E. G. Whitehorne
  24. Modern historians about Macedonia – Anthony E. David
  25. Modern historians about Macedonia – George Cawkwell
  26. Modern historians about Macedonia – Fergus Millar
  27. Modern historians about Macedonia – Chester G. Starr
  28. Modern historians about Macedonia – Lewis Vance Cummings
  29. Modern historians about Macedonia – Victor Ehrenberg
  30. Modern historians about Macedonia – D. G. Hogarth
  31. Modern historians about Macedonia – James S. Romm
  32. Modern historians about Macedonia – Hilding Thylander
  33. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Graham Shipley
  34. Modern historians about Macedonia – P. M. Fraser
  35. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Robin Osborne
  36. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Jacques Pirenne
  37. Modern Historians about Macedonia – M. C. Howatson
  38. Modern Historians about Macedonia – William Pinnock
  39. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Ernst Curtius
  40. Modern Historians about Macedonia – J. C. Stobart
  41. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Walter M. Ellis
  42. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Eric Carlton
  43. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Irad Malkin
  44. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Carl J. Richard
  45. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Alan Fildes
  46. Modern Historians about Macedonia – John Anthony Crame
  47. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Donald P. Ryan
  48. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Charles Gates
  49. Modern Historians about Macedonia – J. D. Fage
  50. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Theodor Mommsen
  51. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Donald R. Dudley
  52. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Anthony E. David
  53. Modern Historians about Macedonia – René Grousset
  54. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Samouel Eddy
  55. Modern Historians about Macedonia – David Sacks
  56. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Richard Gabriel
  57. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Martin Sicker
  58. Modern Historians about Macedonia – L.S. Stavrianos
  59. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Peter Tsouras
  60. Modern Historians about Macedonia – E. Bevan
  61. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Katja Mueller
  62. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Francois Chamoux
  63. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Philip Hughes
  64. Modern Historians about Macedonia – R.M. Cook
  65. Modern Historians about Macedonia – J. M. Roberts
  66. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Mary Renault
  67. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Bernard Randall
  68. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Paul Cartledge
  69. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Hermann Bengtson
  70. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Mortimer Chambers
  71. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Jacob Abbott
  72. Modern Historians about Macedonia – A. B. Bossworth
  73. Modern Historians about Macedonia – John A. Fine
  74. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Rene Guerdan
  75. Modern Historians about Macedonia – David H. Levinson
  76. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Bim Sherman
  77. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Katheryn A. Bard
  78. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Ernest Barker
  79. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Henri-Daniel Rops
  80. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Archaeological Institute of America
  81. Modern historians about Macedonia – Francis S. Marvin
  82. Modern historians about Macedonia – Nigel Cawthorne
  83. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Stella Myller-Collet
  84. Modern historians about Macedonia – Louis- Pierre Anquetil
  85. Modern Historians about Macedonia – George Rawlinson
  86. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Michael Wood
  87. Modern historians about Macedonia – John Pentland Mahaffy
  88. Modern historians about Macedonia – John B. Teeple
  89. Modern historians about Macedonia – Elisabeth Gaynor Ellis
  90. Modern historians about Macedonia – John Mounteney
  91. Modern historians about Macedonia – John Lewis Burckhardt
  92. Modern historians about Macedonia – Benjamin Ide Wheeler
  93. Modern historians about Macedonia – Norman Karol Gottwald
  94. Modern historians about Macedonia – Nigel Guy Wilson
  95. Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard Watson
  96. Modern historians about Macedonia – Kathryn A. Morgan
  97. Modern historians about Macedonia – Mogens Herman Hansen
  98. Modern historians about Macedonia – Brownson Quarterly Review
  99. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Mark Grossman
  100. Modern historians about Macedonia – Robert Morkot
  101. Modern historians about Macedonia – J. J. Pollitt
  102. Modern historians about Macedonia – Eric Carlton
  103. Modern historians about Macedonia – J. Jayapalan
  104. Modern historians about Macedonia – Michael Norris
  105. Modern historians about Macedonia – J. R. Hamilton
  106. Modern historians about Macedonia – Stephen G. Miller
  107. Modern historians about Macedonia – Joe Cribb
  108. Modern historians about Macedonia – Usborne Illustrated World History
  109. Modern historians about MAcedonia – John Warry
  110. Modern historians about Macedonia -Joseph Cummins
  111. Modern historians about Macedonia – Don Nardo
  112. Modern historians about Macedonia – Andrew Taylor
  113. Modern historians about Macedonia – Anne Pearson
  114. Modern historians about Macedonia – Justin Pollard
  115. Modern historians about Macedonia – Biblical Archaeology Review
  116. Modern historians about Macedonia – Ruth Shepard
  117. Modern historians about Macedonia – Richard De Neufville
  118. Modern historians about Macedonia – Joseph M. Bryant
  119. Modern historians about Macedonia – Frank Lipsius
  120. Modern historians about Macedonia – Percy Gardner
  121. Modern historians about Macedonia – Jean-Yves Empereur
  122. Modern historians about Macedonia – W. Clarysse
  123. Modern historians about Macedonia – Michael Meier Bruegger
  124. Modern historians about Macedonia – Donald Kagan
  125. Modern historians about Macedonia – Simon hornblower
  126. Modern historians about Macedonia – M. T. Kerrigan
  127. Modern Historians about Macedonia – William Woodthorpe Tarn
  128. Modern Historians about Macedonia – David Neiman
  129. Modern Historians about Macedonia – Berel Wein

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Comments
Jeff W. says:
July 16, 2008 at 8:47 pm

“Can someone please explain to me why the FYROMers don’t want the term Paeonians for them selves and Republic of Paeonia or simply Paeonia for they country ?”

First, let me get one thing straight -- I am a philhellene. Having studied Hellenic history for several decades and having studied the language for four years at a university, I believe I have some credibility to speak on the issue.

I agree with Αιγίδιον Μακεδονίδος. Paionia (or Paeonia) is a perfectly good name for FYROM. Look on any historical atlas and you will see that name right in the middle of where modern FYROM is today. I am not sure if the Greek negotiators (at the UN-sponsored talks about the name issue) ever proposed Paionia as a possible name. Why not? -- It has a nice sound to it; it does have its own ancient (though limited) history and its own line of rulers (please refer to Wikipedia on this one).

Unfortunately, because some nations have recognized FYROM as the “RoM”, they probably now believe that if they wait long enough the rest of the world will come around to their position.

Oh, and while I am at it, I personally apologize to the rest of the world for that incompetent dunce who calls himself the U.S. President for these last eight years. Growing up in this country, I have come to learn that U.S. foreign policy does not necessarily support those who are in the right. During the Cold War, the U.S. willingly supported several repressive regimes on the sole reason that they declared themselves to be anti-communist. But, now, U.S. foreign policy has changed -- it now favors just stability and often at the expense of those who are in the right. Therefore, it has rewarded FYROM for its “significant” contribution to the Iraqi War (I believe they contributed all of 70 troops) by recognizing it as the “RoM”. Talk about endangering a long-term friendship for a short-term whim! Please, do not be misled -- the U.S. is not as altruistic as it constantly trumpets to the rest of the world -- and I live here!

“There is a little Greek in all civilized men.” -- F. von Schiller

Filip says:
November 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm

Paionia (or Paeonia) is a perfectly good name for FYROM… wtf ?!! Who are you people to judge on who Am I??
Enlight me please.. btw that greek prpaganda with "authors" like this guy isn't touching me & and my compatriots, fellow Macedonians!

Live a Life, TROLS…

Edessa says:
November 10, 2010 at 3:22 am

The right question is… who are YOU to steal a Greek name and want to use it for yourself? Your people are Slavs having NOTHING to do with ancient Greek people. Better finally to wake up!!

sartr says:
April 9, 2008 at 4:58 am

Μόνο ένας έμπειρος ψυχίατρος-ψυχαναλυτής μπορεί να τους αλλάξει άποψη. Η ψύχωση τους είναι πολύ βαθειά. Χρειάζεται χρόνια θεραπεία και όχι μια αμερικανικού τύπου (promplem solving) ταχεία λύση.

Alexandros says:
March 22, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Aigidion join the Greek forum about Macedonian history http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum. You ll find lots of other people who are into ancient history and share your views.

Αιγίδιον Μακεδονίδος says:
March 22, 2008 at 1:44 pm

oooo And another thing ..How else could the Aelophons Magnetes be considered “brothers” of the North-Western Greek speakers Macedonians by Hesiod and in his statements of the greek mythology and the suns of Deukalion ?? I think if they don’t speak the same dialect of greek the only other reason to be “brothers” in mythology ..the first attempt of classification , is that Macedonians and Magnetes lived in the some zone for a certain period and then the Magnetes were driven away.

Αιγίδιον Μακεδονίδος says:
March 22, 2008 at 1:35 pm

Homer knows the regions Emathia e Pieria even if in his time Emathia was Bottiea and inhabited by Bottians who were Minoan Colonists from Crete that probably spoke e pre-Greek language and came to the region near 1400 B.C. when the Acheans invaded Minoan Crete and Pieria was inhabited by Thracians . Macedonians in this period were located at the upper Haliakmon river as “Maketae” or “Makedni”. Nevertheless the names Emathia , Pieria and the near Mygdonia (which before the Macedonians conquered it was inhabitated by Thracians and Paeonians) are names that safely derive fron greek since Emathia means “sandy” (ημαθόεν) , Pieria means rich/fertile/well chosen (Πῖαρ) and Mygdonia means region of the gulf (Μυχός γδων). What I’m asking for is it possible that before the Macedonian arrival in the coastal zones of the Thermaic golf there were other greek tribes that named these territories and were driven away by Thracians , Paeonians , Teucrians and Mysians , Troian Allies that invated towards west ?
«…ἐσβαλόντες …τὸν Μυσῶν τε καὶ Τευκρῶν τὸν πρὸ τῶν Τρωικῶν γενόμενον , οἵ διαβάντες ἐς τὴν Εὐρώπην κατὰ Βόσπορον τούς τε Θρήικας κατεστρέψαντο πάντας καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰόνιον πόντον κατέβησαν μέχρι τε Πηνειοῦ ποταμοῦ τὸ πρὸς μεσαμβρίης ἤλασαν.»
(Herodotus 7.20.2)
Could these greek tribes that were driven away be the Aelophones Magnetes that finished south of the Penius river and could they initialy finished in the Thermaic Gulf region as colonists of the Mycenean Centers that were congestioned end made large scale colonizations to decongest during the 1300 BC period when they colonized Crete , Aegian , Cyprus and continental Greece??
How else could these regions have greek names before the arrival of the Macedons ???

Αιγίδιον Μακεδονίδος says:
March 22, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Can someone please explain to me why the FYROMers don’t want the term Paeonians for them selves and Republic of Paeonia or simply Paeonia for they country ? If we look the geography in ancient times the biggest part of their state was Paeonian territory and only a little part (Pelagonia) was Macedonian and another little part was Illyrian. Furthermore , from what I know until now ,Pelagonia was inhabitated by Molossian tribes that spoke the North Western Greek dialect and lately , as all the other Molossian tribes of the upper Macedonia, were annexed politicaly by the Macedonians of the lower Macedonia or the Old Macedonian Kingdom .Paeonia from the other hand was simple a vassal state to Macedonia that was never politicaly annexed and the proof of that is that Paeonians and other vassaled state citizens never entered the Macedonian Phalanx ,but were independent units more auxiliary . In Hammonds History of Macedonia I read that in Philip’s times one could obtain the name “Macedonian” if he was a part of the regal forces Cavalry or Phalanx and in the Macedonian Phalanx there were only greek-speaking soldiers and further more before Philip , the king’s “hypaspistes” then said “pezeteroi” were only from the old kingdom and the only ones that spoke the Macedonian dialect. Correct me if I’m wrong , but from what I’ve understand the only ones who spoke the Macedonian dialect were the inhabitants of the Old Kingdon in lower or coastal Macedonia (Pieria , Emathia , Bottiea ,Almopia , oriental Eordea)
and those derive from a more little area of the Old Kingdom that Herodotus (7.131) names it Makedonis with northern borders in the union between Haliakmon and Loudias rivers :
«…μέχρι Λυδίεώ τε ποταμοῦ καὶ Αλιάκμονος , οἵ οὐρίζουσι γῆν τὴν Βοττιαιίδα τε καὶ Μακεδονίδα , ἐς τὠυτὸ ῥέεθρον τὸ ὕδωρ συμμίσγοντες»
Herodotus also knows the mountain of “Μακεδονίς Γῆ” like Macedonian Mounain , today named Pierian in (7.127) :
«…Περὶ Πιερίην …ὄρος τὸ Μακεδονικὸν…»
Can someone explain to me how that population can be related with the Paeonians when among the two there were the Bottieans that claimed to be Minoan colonists from Crete ??