Rare English map of 1829 shows Skopje Out of Macedonia

 

In this rare British Edition Map of Greece from 1829, the whole of Macedonia is in Greece proper and considered a Greek province. Also notice that all the names of cities in Macedonia are Greek. Skopje (Scupi) is outside of the territory of Macedonia and is in Dardania Propria.

From the book: ‘Macedonia, The Macedonia Struggle, Greece-Macedonia 4000 Years’ by Konstantinos Douflias, Aegean Publications, 1992, page 11.
rareenglishmapof1829 Rare English map of 1829 shows Skopje Out of Macedonia

By Christos

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Comments
Nick Nikolas says:

Greece was not a country. Greece was the union of all civilized countries. If there were countries being not part of Greece is that they did not have the necessary civilization to be part of Greece.

dimitar says:

J don*t look GREECE on the MAP

Manolis says:

In relation to the video shown here rel="nofollow"> (yorg0 has put the link) I noticed something else: in addition to all the greek names written in cyrillic, we can see that Nikola Tesla (the serb scientist and inventor) is a “macedonian” himself! FYROMian transformation has no ending at all!

Dimitrios says:

@ “Real Macedonian” TROLL

Keep up amusing us … :)

REAL Macedonian says:

LOL — maybe skopje is not in macedonia in this map, but many more ARE :-)))

especially you may see river pchinja which is on this map whole in macedonia, but in today’s maps its springs are in serbia -- that far north.

Alexandra the Great Greek says:

Detecting Propaganda and Propaganda Techniques.
A propagandist tries to influence your thinking or behavior and turn your opinions and actions in a certain direction. He or She uses words that appeal to your emotions- your fears, your loves, your hates-rather than to your reason, to your ability to think clearly in order, ultimately, to make you do things in a way you never ordinarily would do.
Six Common techniques in propaganda are:
1) Name Calling: THE Slavs Attaching a bad name to Greece.
Name calling is a common propaganda technique, that loads emotional overtones.
2) Glittering Generalities: The FYO Vardarska Stilling the History and the Name of the Greek Ancient Macedonia, by Naming their country “Macedonia” to be accepted in the world as a Great Nation, Hoping that You will NOT look into the facts.A smart reader will ask questions, and read reliable information about the Great Ancient Macedonia who is 5000BC GREEK.
3) Transfer: THE FYO Vardarska want the world to think of them as prestige, By using the stolen name “Macedonia” where we Greeks love and respect our Nation, where they want the world to accept that it is OK to still Your neighbors identity and Land.
4)Testimonials: Advertising stolen GREEK History and land, that it is theirs, and they are the creators of this Great Historical Land instead the Greeks who shed their blood to save the Great Macedonia from its enemies. They get paid to lie.
5)Card stocking: The FYO Vardarska want you to see only one side of the Macedonian name Issue. They use 1/2 truth and 1/2 lies to confuse the world.
6) Bandwagon: The FY OF Vardarska want its readers to go alone with their crowd. Since most people are followers, and do not want you to think clearly.
YOU SHOULD ALWAYS ASK WHY! AND EXAMINE THE PERSON, THE NATION THE POLITICS, THE HISTORY, READ RELIABLE INFORMATION, SO YOUR EMOTIONS
GET THE BEST OF YOU.

VASILEIOS says:

SLAVOALBANIANS ( MONKEYDONSKI) FROM DARDANIA (DARDANI-SKOPJANS), ANCIENT NAME SCUPI , YOU SKOPJANS, ANCIENT DARDANIANS (THRACO-ILLYRIAN TRIBE) USED TO BE THE WORSE ENEMIES OF ANCIENT MACEDONIANS ( DORIAN HELLENIC TRIBE) EXACTLY AS YOU ARE NOWDAYS, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A LOOK HERE AND LEARN HISTORY :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardania_(Europe) .

westclub4 says:

Dear Bojan and readers,

Indeed, ethnic cleansing and attrocities against all ethnic, linguistic and religious minorities is a crime against humanity that should become prohibited; That is also a crime against us all and irrespective to colour, gender, sexual preference, spoken language, nationality or national affiliation and ethnic culture. We shall not close our eyes before neither the crimes that were once commited by the Stalinists, nor to the crimes that were also done against them and during the same period, either. True, the ethnic Macedonian brothers of the north had been through a lot by the Greek Monarchists and by their fascist gangs, either of which we modern Greeks shall not be proud of. On the other hand, the Stalinist policies of the Comintern, which were to be followed to the ‘jota’ by the numerous, yet also not politically experienced and ‘premature’ CP’s in the Balkans, at that time, has been disastrous for the liberating cause and for the socialist ideals, to say the least.

The Stalinist approach to the so-called ‘national question’ in the Balkans of the time has been horrible and equally damaging for the fighters’ just cause, as well as for their humanistic ideals and for their anti-exploitative values and liberating demands. The Stalinist bureaucrats had already ”sold” the democratic and the socialist worker and paesant freedom fighters back then and, yet, that is from either side of the border also, ever since they had signed the Yalta ”peace pact” with western imperialism. The Greek Stalinists had signed their own Yalta ”sell out” from the Kazerta and the Lebanon agreements, where they made concessions and signed treaties with the right-wingers and with the Greek ultra-nationalists, as well as when they signed of the so-called Varkiza Agreement with the local Greek bourgeoisie and with the Anglo-Americans, as well.

The Yugoslav Titoists (a local ‘break-away’ Stalinist bureaucratic regime and state apparatus) ”cut” the supplies to the Greek communists and fought them fiercefuly, as soon as they themselves broke with Stalinist Russia and with Zachariadis and his Stalinist Greek CP -i.e with the KKE. Yet, they accepted many slavophone ethnic Macedonian freedom fighters and Greek communists too, only to use them at some time in the future against the Greek pro-western bourgeoisie, as well as, against her conservative political elite.

Ethnic Macedonian brothers of the north, it is not the Greeks who deserve to take the blame for all of your misfortunes and excile. Nor is it the communist workers’ and peasants’ fault, nor the fault of any of the other democratic and freedom fighters who fought along with your people for peace, for bread and for socialism, for the liberation of Greece and of the Macedonian region in particular, either. Indeed, at some point things got really messed up, so that reality had suddently turned against you.

Nonetheless, we -i.e. the democratic Greeks and in particular Greek Communists and freedom fighters, had seen you as our true and real ethnic brothers and sisters back then. We still consider you that, even after all those years and even today. As far as the Greek freedom fighters’ movement is of any particular significance and of concerned to our discussion, it should be stated that we only wanted you to be our comrades in an all-out fight for creating from below a trully democratic society, which would also be free of oppression and of exploitation either -that is, for all of its peoples, as well.

In particular, we wanted to assist to the historic and also humane task of saving you from the ultra-nationalist Bulgarian knife and from the south-Slavic and Greater Serbian nationalism, as well as from the Greek monarchists and from the Greek fascist bandits who were active and who operated in your communal areas. Furthermore, we wanted to live with you as equals. To live united together and in peace, as real comrades in arms deserve to live after they ‘ve won the battle. We -i.e. the democratic Greeks and, in particular, the simple communist fighters, had very much respected (and also assisted) you and, indeed, by all the means that were available to us back then.

We wanted you to attain your distinct ethnic culture, although that particular culture was indeed foreign to us Greeks and historic Macedonians, which was also perceived from us as to have been a forcefully imposed culture upon your people -that is, to say the least; In other words, we viewed your ”Slavic” culture -and, we still to this date beleive we did so correctly at that time- as a foreign and not as an original and indigenous ethnic culture of your people, which has been none other than that of the former Bulgarian and Serbian oppressor and occupier of our Macedonian land.

Indeed, this culture were once to become obtained by your great-great-grandparents at some particular time in history and were to be passed on to you in more recent times, mostly due to the lack of a proper or of an appropriate education system or, simply because of the many centuries of occupation of your land and of the significant oppression of your ethnic Macedonian people by the raiding Avaro-Slavs or by the invading Tataric-Bulgarians of past centuries. Moreover, we were being brought up to beleive that we are the only true ethnic Macedonians, since we are both Greek-speaking and also feeling Greek, likewise to our ancient and to historic Macedonian Greek forefathers.

Today, it is about time to break with this foreign tradition to true Hellenism -i.e. the tradition of the monopolization of history and of absolute historic facts, of the monopolization of all ancient and significant cultures to that area of the Balkans and of the policy to turn a deaf ear to those who assume something different than that we already happen to know or have only learned to recognise, either.

Yours Sincerely,

Elias L.A.
Athens, Greece.

westclub4 says:

Dear ethnic Macedonian brother Bojan / dear fellow Greek readers / dear comrades in arms of the Hellenic Peninsula,

Of course, it is about time that all ethnic minorities in contemporary Greece should have the right to declare themselves as they wish. I fully support their right to do so even though I ‘d personaly disagree with the particular choise of the name that those minorities would chose for their own internal and cross-communal daily usage. Moreover, it is about time to understand that there are also many ethnic Macedonians who do not yet speak Greek or who do not speak Greek only and who also do not yet feel Greek at all. Indeed, some of them could even feel in opposition to Greece and to the contemporary Greek bourgeois’ state, which can also oppress them ethnically and socially, by its particular socio-economic way of life and by its politico-historical elite’s aims and goals, as well as, propaganda and public information system.

It is about time that we modern Greeks see that there are slavophone ethnic Macedonians in our country, who do not feel Greek or Greek only yet. Although I am not one of them -and, not by any means, either- I fully appreciate and completely understand them and their particular need to collectively proclaim of themselves ethnically whatever they wish. It is their absolute democratic right to find a name of their chosing, in order to call themselves and also their community according to that. This is also despite of the fact that I would personaly disagree on scientific and on absolute socio-historic terms and conditions with the name under perspective, i.e. Ethnic Macedonians.

The reason for my objection is that this is a tribal or an ethnic name, not a name of a nation. Indeed, it takes of more than one ethnic group of people to declare them a separate nation. It is by that token that I significantly object to the use of their ethnic name for stating of their nationality, as well. You cannot be an ethnic Macedonian and also not being a Greek as well -like in the old days. Equally, you cannot in nowadays be an ethnic Macedonian and also not being either a Greek or a Slav, be it either a Serbian Slav or a Bulgarian Slav, or a bit of both also.

Well, of course, one could be a slavophone ethnic Macedonian and yet not at all a Slav of whatever kind (that is, in nationality) or, indeed, one could also be a prime Greek-speaker and yet not at all Greek (also in nationality), either. Moreover, one could not be plain and simply a Macedonian for this is what he declares or because he simply beleives so. That is so, because being an ethnic Macedonian states only his tribal name (i.e. that is, only his ethnic name of birthplace and of origin, and yet nothing more) and not his proper nationality, nor his particular national culture either.

Indeed, it is true that throughout history Macedonia and, in particular Macedonian, were known to have been ethnic Greek names -one of the many tribal or ethnic Greek names that were to be used by the ancient and historic Greek tribes and, also for quite some time in the past. Practically, being a Macedonian did not mean that you were not Greek. As a matter of fact, the opposite was the case. Being a Macedonian in the past also meant that you were Greek, as well. The meaning of the adjective Macedonian has not been a national one but, only a tribal one or an ethnic name of a particular tribe, which belonged to a much larger nation.
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That has been the case for many centuries before the Avaro-Slavs, the Tataro-Bulgarians, the Antes, the Vindes and the Vendes had ever set foot in the Hellenic Peninsula. When we say today ethnic Bulgarian or an ethnic Serb, we mean that he is a Slav -that is, nationally and culturally speaking. But, when we refer to either the slavophone ethnic Macedonians of the north or to the ethnic Albanians of Kosovo and to those within Fyrom, what do we say about their nationality?

Well, to my opinion, both the slavophone ethnic Macedonians of the north and the ethnic Albanians of whichever Albanian land, simply do not constitute of any proper nationality either. Either the ethnic Macedonians are Greek or Slav -be it either of the Bulgarian ethnic stock or of the Serbian one (or are they of a completely different ethnic and national stock be it either Albanian, Romanian, or Turkish). Equally, the same applies to contemporary Albanians, as well. Either they are Greek or Turkish, or Latin or Slav, and so on. Yet, they cannot be simply Albanian or Skipetar. This is only an ethnic or a tribal name, not a national one. Hence, they need to find a stronger and yet, a bigger, nation to belong to. They need a historical-political patron, apart from the one they ‘ve found already -that is, the American, to keep it short.

Nonetheless, modern-day ethnic Albanians have quite understood that and they attest their glory to the ancient Illyrians, which is conventionally thought to have been that ancient and strong cultural bigger nation that they need today, in order to get by in the modern bourgeois world. Moreover, they struggle really hard to find a single word from their contemporary Graeco-Latin language that could either relate to ancient Illyrian language or neither to ancient Greek or Latin, in order to prove their case, but -still, that effort is also in vain.

Hence, it is to the great historical misfortune to both the so-called slavophone ”ethnic Macedonians” of the north and to contemporary Albanians (or to the Skipetar people) not to consist of a nation by only themselves, and to close the eye at all times and at all costs to either the Greeks or the Turks, or to the Slavs, or the Italian-Latin peoples, or even to distant peoples that are to be found further than the Atlantic Ocean and in the American continent.

Sooner or later, the ethnic Macedonians of the north will have to chose the nation they consider that is closer to themselves or simply the nation that they seem to think they belong to. The same would also be true for the ethnic Albanians, as well. Modern day Greece is a peripheral sub-imperialist bourgeois nation-state, which agknowledges of that fact very well and awaits for the right moment. The same applies for Turkey, Italy, Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, as well. The main players for the Albanians are the Greeks, the Italians and the Turks, whereas for the ethnic Macedonians there are the Greeks, the Bulgarians and if they ever regain of their old national strength, the Serbs too.

To that ultimate fight over the historic Macedonian soil it is probably only the Greeks that would stand a significant chance of winning anything at all, if any. The Bulgarians yet they need another fifty years or so, whereas the Serbs are out, still they are not dead yet. Ethnic Macedonian brothers of the north, if you know what it really means to be a Macedonian at all, you need to make a quick and yet a steady choise, and the time is running. You either go for the culture and the nation of your ancient and historic forefathers and ancestors or you opt for your former oppressors and occupiers, the south-Slavs and the Bulgarians. Yet, ethnic Macedonian brothers of the north, you always need to remember that indeed you are not Slavs simply because you happen to speak in nowadays a barbaric and also a foreign Slavic medieval language.

Since you are also true Macedonians of the original ancient Macedonian stock you ‘ve got nothing in common with your former oppressors and occupiers of your historic northern Macedonian lands. Indeed, you ‘ve got more things in common with the indigenous ethnic Macedonian Greeks of the south, as well as with the Romanicized Vlachs (if they really are Greeks or either Greaco-Thracians, as they themselves today assume and also proclaim) and with the ethnic Albanians too (in which case, they also need to prove that they are of an indigenous Graeco-Illyrian ethnic stock or of an at least significant Thracian-Dardanian ethnic stock and cultural origin) than with anyone other ethnic tribe who duells in the Balkans today -and, which may also speak Slav and at the same time also feel Slav or Bulgarian, as well.

We need not forget either that this particular ”slavophonea” of yours is nonetheless the byproduct of a centuries’ long enslavement to -and, of propaganda and oppression, by- the Slavs and the Bulgarians, whose initially foreign language you have actually obtained at some point in the past, and yet for this or that particular reason of convinience or of survival.

Indeed, the language that you concurrently speak is not an ancient, nor an indigenous one to the land and to the Macedonian geographical area. Neither is it the language of the original ethnic Macedonians of the old, nor the historic language of Alexander the Great and either of Philippe. Indeed, it is to you only a foreign language and also foreign and barbaric to the sensitive ears of your glorious ethnic Macedonian ancestors, which you have only recently obtained from your former Bulgarian and south-Slavic raiders, invaders, oppressors and occupiers.

Long live the future federal and democratic people’s Hellenic Republic! Long live a united and also a free Macedonia within that new Hellenic Republic! Long live our ethnic Macedonian brothers in the north! Long live ancient Greeks and the ancient Macedonian Greek tribe! Long live the Pelasgians, the Thrako-Illyrians, the Arkadians, the Acheans, the Danaians, the Ionians and the Dorians, the Macedonians and the Epirotans, the Greeks and the historic Hellenes!

One day the Hellenic Peninsula will be set free again and united into a single Federal Democratic Pan-Hellenic Republic of its Peoples. Indeed, one day soon, we can all become brothers again and free ourselves from oppression and from exploitation of one another. Long live the future Hellenic Republic! Long live the Hellenic Peoples!

Elias L.A.
Athens, Greece.

alex says:

All the different profiles with IP 80.122.174.11 are banned. Stick elsewhere to promote your multiple personality disorder.

Dimitrios says:

@Bojan / Fenix

and other deeply indoctrinated by state-sponsored, totalitarian propaganda.

From the moment you do not produce any proof of your claims,
but offensive language and unsubstantiated beliefs,
you’re discrediting yourselves from any discussion.

Nobody is going to take you seriously,
on the contrary, you ridicule and make a fool of yourself!

Bojan says:

Opsi almost forgot this guy Fenix and he sound like a reason man.You greeks , you should be more like this guy and maybe like his grand father , Riste did your grandfather left you a mesage about the sinn that he comited over the macedonians.Well finaly someone who admit somethin, but i will follow this blog i guess some people start to discover there secrets and face the reality.It is geting interesting.or you are all with hiden mesages from the ancestors”keep the macedonians slaved if they raise again we the greeks are done”
E Riste what you have to tell me about Demosten

Ntemis G21 says:

My little clown Bojan/Fenix or…whatever your new fake name will be,

What i enjoy mostly about you brainwashed Fyromians is the fact that each time your Illusions will be shot down one by one, you will so easily make a new fake identity, pretending to be allegedly someone else and start the same BS. Thats why my little jester Bojan/Fenix you and your people will be eternally the laughing stock of the universe!!! There is evidently NO decency in you but your whole existence is full of hate, lies and blatant distortion of facts. Who are you trying to fool bre Moron of the Morons pretending to be someone else? Firstly try to eliminate your attrocities in grammar of English language and stop writing like a dyslectic Idiot from a mental institution!!

All of the reader take a good look at this sad freak case of extreme brainwashing and paranoia. How much more stupid and ridiculous can someone like this clown can be to humiliate himself by making a fake profile in order to…”defend” his alter ego!!!! Absolutely Pathetic!!

Bojan says:

Well i was trying to be nice with this ntemis who is probably some parasite who lives on the back of the state and and his helpless parents with social help for mentaly retarded people.Realy i wanted to keep this blog only for me not telling my friends to interupting you in your dark maters but i guess i need help to protect myself from punks and skambags like nmetis and thats meaning that we cant have a normal conversation, to talk with christos and the westclub (by the way you have interesting ideas)who are obviosly enough educated people comparing to some.I will keep watching and keep teaching you.
Riste : take it easy (or if you want take it hard )and you know there is a truth in my words .
westclub : interesting ideas we can talk sometime about this Right?????.

Fenix says:

To all

All right evrybody stop writing about evrything and why just dont try to find some decision, or like the politicians you can not find one.That is probably because people like this ntemis and instead of letting him playing clown you are the one with your funny maps where realy we cant see the nothern greece on the old maps with name greece it is in 90 percent Macedonia for which we claim its ours , the macedonian from fyrom are claiming its theirs and there will be no end of this.Ntemis dont hate even if you were fed since birth with hate you will die hated ,by the other hand Bojan is only trying to explain were from the Macedonians are coming from.We the Hellens are just trying to get him on the right road but the road that we think its right.We like humans must respect his right to make choice which for us will be wrong and for him probably the right one.Let him stay in his world.By the way one day we gonna need to say YES to the minorities in our state , and we need to say YES we did take the so caled Aegeian Macedonia from the Turks in 1912 we did use to have more neighbors who were not speaking greek language neither were saying that are greeks and some of our goverments were forcing them on many other ways , so until the 80 we were not feling free to say that we are Macedonians and we were not alowing to any other nationality to say that they are something else than greeks and especialy that they are macedonians.Its a fact that that people have suported the comunist in the civilian war ( i meanth the last one not the trojan which i bearly belive that was a civilian which to be honest laugh me a litle bitt)Please dont alowe the world to think that we are megalomans talking all around that evrybody in the southeastern europe was a greek,maybe in the legend for the creation of the world but in reality god made much more nations, which rights need to be respected, and for now our Greece is not doing enough.At the end :”why are we arguing with that small Republic on the Balcans if we are the right ones and if we dont have from what to be scared , we made enough sinns to that people so it is time to leave them alone and themselves on their own , but we are scared that it is going to come back on our back the same missfortune one day”- Thats my grandfather who fight against the comunist use to say.Do we all have a reason to be scared?

Ntemis G21 says:

My little confused sould bojan. I sympathize with your mental handicap which force you to fall into series of Idiocies but apparently thats the only thing you can do. Its amusing watching you while you struggle to make sense but you never succeed. You asked for “any “rare”map were the teritory of the Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA is shown with the name Greece like a good proof” and now that the evidence was slapped on your face you simply choose to ignore it. How typical of your fascist mentality!!! Denial!!! thats what you were fed since birth, most likely this is what will accompany you since death.

Macedonia in the map is being shown clearly to be a part of Greece for your frustration. In all the maps shown in the link your Dardanian/Paeonian lands are OUT of Macedonia. You can keep your empty head in the sand yet you cant change the truth! Your only usage here is to be an excellent source of Laughing for all readers!! Keep up the good work!! lol

Bojan says:

DEAR RISTE THAT 5000 IS THE ONE WHO ARE STILL BRAVE TO SAY NO TO THE GREEK ASIMILATION THAT IS NOT ENDING ALMOST 100 YEARS AND WHO DONT CARE ARE THEY GOING TO BE TERORISED BY THE GOVERMENT AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE WRITING UNBELIVABLE BOOKS.

YOU SAID :The “refugees” or “detsa begalsti” as you call them who are now in Toronto and Australia who claim that they were expelled are the descendants of either Greek Communist or Yugoslav-inspired NOF fighters who fled Greece after the Civil War.

SIR IF YOU ARE WRITING A BOOK YOU NEED TO BE SURE IN WHAT YOU ARE WRITING NOT TO SAY “EITHER”NOT TO BE SURE ABOUT SOMEONES NATIONALITY AND YET TRYING TO TELL HIM THAT HI IS SOMETHING ELSE , SAME LIKE YOUR POOR GRANDMOTHER FOR WHOCH YOU SAID ……..If you claim that my dirt poor grandmother was paid by Royalists to feel Greek then why were her nieces (only children taken away without their parents to stop the propaganda) not paid to feel Greek?
WELL WHO IS NOE PAING ME TO SAY THAT I AM MACEDONIAN AND TO FELL LIKE MACEDONIAN THE COMUNIST , TITO , OR SOME SAINTS.

THERE WAS NEVER ANY GATHERING OF THE GEFUGEES MACEDONIAN FROM TITOS COMUNIST PARTY IN THE 70 IES , THE MACEDONIAN REFUGESS WERE NOT EVEN ALOWED TO EXPOSED THEMSELVES LIKE MORE THAN MACEDONIANS WHO CAME FROM GREECE , BECAUSE THE COMUNIST POLITICS IN THAT TIME AND THE AGREEMANT BEETWEN TITO AND BRITISH WHO WERE ALWAYS PROTECTIN YOR BACK.
AS FOR THE TURKS MINORITY WHO YOU ARE CALLING THEM POMAKS , PLEASE DONT BE THAT MUCH GOOD WITH THEM (THERE IS AN ISRAELI WRITER WHO HIS BOOK STARTED WITH … PLEASE GOD DO NOT LOVE US THAT MUCH…THAT IS AFTER THE HOLOCAUST , BECCAUSE ITS BELIVED THAT ISRAELIS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT GOD LOVES THEM MOST.wHAT KIND OF LOVE THEY WERE SUPOSE TO EXPECT AFTER THE HOLOCAUST AND EVRYTHING THAT THEY HAVE SURVIVED IN THEIR HISTORY SIMULAR LIKE OURS MACEDONIAN)PLEASE GREEKS DO NOT LOVE YOUR MINORITIES THAT MUCH
BILINGUAL GREEKS ?????????????????WHAT IS THATI AM A BILINGUAL MACEDONIAN WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH AND MACEDONIAN ,BUT I AM NOT AN ENGLISH I AM STILL MACEDONIAN.BUT ANYWAY EVEN IF THE SO CALED SLAVIC MINORITY IS MACEDONO-BULGARIANS AND LIKE YOU ALL CLAIM THEY LIVE THERE WITH CENTURIES THEY COLD BE THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS NOT YOU GREEKS AND WHY DONT RECOGNISE IT LIKE THAT WAY HOW THEY FILL.

YOU SAID :My family remembers some from our village. And yes they spoke Bulgarski because the Bulgarian komitadjis made them do so.
SO HOW THE BULGARIAN KOMITS MADE THEM SPEAK LIKE THAT.HOW MANY LANGUAGES DO YOU SPEAK MISTER RISTO AND YOU ARE LIVING IN SOCIATY WERE ARE SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITY (PROBABLY YOU HAVE THEM BUT TELLING LIES) SO HOW MANY THEY COULD LEARN IN SHORT PERIOD OR IT WAS AN ALLIEN FORCE THAT TEACH MILION OF PEOPLE TO SPEAK FOREIN LANGUAGE IN 50 YEARS FROM WHO MOST OF THEM WEREPEASENTS ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Bojan says:

TO Ntemis G21 OR WHATEVER DONT BE SUCH A KID SHOWING ME SOME MAPS WHERE IT STILL SAYS MACEDONIA .LOOK FOR SOME MORE BETTER PICTURE CLONE.IF I SAY THAT YOU ARE A CLOWN YOU NEED TO BE FUNY BUT YOU ARE NOT I FILL SORRY ABOUT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ORDINARY CLONED FASISOISTIC GREEK WHO IS STEELING PICTURES FROM SMALL KIDS.

Bojan says:

TO WESTCLUB4:
INDEED WE CAN BE YOUR BROTHERS FROM THE NORTH BUT AS SOON AS THE GREEK GOVERMENT AND THAT 2.5 PERCENT OF THE FASISTIC GREEK MINORITY STOP SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT REAL LIKE THE MACEDONIANS IN THE AEGEAIAN PART OF MACEDONIA ARE NOT REAL AND THAT THEY ARE GREEKS,BUT MACEDONIANS.THEY ARE THE MACEDONIANS SAME LIKE ME AND THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY THE RAINBOW PARTY WHICH MEMBERSARE STILL TODAY INTEROGATED BY THE GREE POLICE LIKE THEY ARE TERORIST.WELL IT DIDNT LOOK TO ME AND TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT THERE IS ONLY 5000 AFTER THE CELEBRATION IN VILAGE OF OVCARANI(I DONT KNOW THE GREEK NAME FOR THIS VILAGE BECAUSE GREEKS CHANGED ALL THE SLAVIC OLD NAMES INTO SOME GREEK JUST TO DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT SHOW THAT THERE WERE LIVING MACEDONIAN PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT FILLING THEMSELVES LIKE GREEKS BY BIRTH.YOU GREEKS CAN RESOLVE THIS MACEDONIAN PROBLEM THAT YOU ARE AFRAID SO MUCH ON A SIMPLE WAY.ASK FROM THE GOVERMENT TO ALLOWE TO ALL THE MACEDONIANS,WHOARE REFUGEES (WHO ARE STILL ALIVE )AND WHO STILL THINKS THAT ARE TRUE MACEDONIANS LIKE ME AND THE PEOPLE FROM PIRIN AND VARDAR PART OF MACEDONIA, TO ALLOWE THEM TO COME BACK IN THE EGEIAN PART OF MACEDONIA (TODAY UNDER GREECE SINCE 1912 )AND THEN SEE HOW MANY ARE THEY.BUT THAT IS A NIGHTMARE FOR EVERY GREEK GOVERMENT SINCE 1912.DONT VORY EVRYBODY IN THE WORLD IS CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE SEPARATE ETHNIC CLEAN TERITORY IN 1912.EXCUSE THAT YOU WITH THE ALLIES ARE LIBERETING THAT MACEDONIAN PEOPLE.nDONT BE AFRAID YOUR ASIMILATING POLITIC WAS GOOD ENOUGH SO TODAY WE DONT WANT THE LANDS BACK FROM THE BULGARIANS NEITHER YOU, JUST WE NEED YOU TO ADMIT THAT THERE IS MACEDONIANS, THE REAL ONES AND THEY DO SPEAK SLAVICJUST ITS DIFERENT DIALECT LIKE ALL ACROSS TODAY R.MACEDONIA ,NOT FAKE LIKE SOME GREEK COLONIST WHO SETLLED AEGEIAN PART OF MACEDONIA DURING THE EXCANGE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE 20-ES AND HAS MORE TURKISH BLOOD THAN THE TURKISH PEOPLE ITSELF.
DEAR WESTCLUB4 REASON THAT I ENTER IN THIS BLOG AND I AM MAKING COMMENTS , IS NOT TO LEARN ABOUT MY NATION WELL TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GREEK NATION BECAUSE THAT WAY I CAN BETER KNOW MY ENEMY AND I CAN ALWAYS GIVE THEM THE TRUTH THE RIGHT ANSWER IN FIRST HAND ,NOT MIXED IN POLITIC BUT PURE HISTORY AND FACTS, AND MAYBE THAT WAY THEY CAN FIGUREOUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING AND THAT THEY NEED TO STOP LIVING IN METAXAS ERA.STOP WITH THAT MEGALOMANIC IDEA
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME AND TELL ME WHY THE GREEKS NEVER TALK ABOUT THE FIRST AND THE SECOND BALCAN WAR AND WHAT DID THEY GET AND WHAT DID THEY LOST FROM THE WAR.WHY THERE IS A BIG BLACK HOLE ABOUT THE CIVILIAN WAR AND THE GREEK COMUNIST PARTY FROM THAT TIME(NOT TODAYS)AND THE MACEONIANS WHO WERE FIGHTING ON THE SIDE OF THE GREEK COMUNIST ,WHY YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE GREEK PEOPLE DURING BIZANTIAN TIME OR DURING THE SLAVIC MIGRATION FOR WHICH ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO CLAIM THAT THEY DIDNT MAKE SO FAR TO PELOPONES.GREEKS ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HE ANCHIENT GREEK HISTORY TO WHICH TODAYS GREEKS ARE NOT FOLLOWER AT ALL , ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE PART OF GREEK HISTORY WHICH WAS NEVER GREEK HISTORY -- THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT MACEDONIAN , AND MACEDONIANS

Christos says:

Dear Bojan,
My name is Christos…not Riste or Risto although I suppose if I were a Slav, I would be called Risto. Your use of my name as such indicates to me that you are patronizing me and letting me know that I am a Slav-Macedonian. Thank you but I don’t need an education from you about this. This is the same as what your country and The Rainbow (Vinozhito) Party (max 5000 votes in elections) do when they claim that all bilingual Greeks in Macedonia are not Greek. These are the Grecomans that Bulgarians knew and the Grckomans that you have heard of. All of them say that they are Greek. I am sorry but this is true. As such, there is no ethnic-Macedonian minority in Greece apart from the 5000 or so Vinozhitos who most are descendants of Communist fighters who did not leave Greece after the civil war. Interestingly enough that before Communism, they called themsleves Bulgarians or Macedono-Bulgarians. My family remembers some from our village. And yes they spoke Bulgarski because the Bulgarian komitadjis made them do so.

The “refugees” or “detsa begalsti” as you call them who are now in Toronto and Australia who claim that they were expelled are the descendants of either Greek Communist or Yugoslav-inspired NOF fighters who fled Greece after the Civil War.

They are also the descendants of Greek children abducted by Greek Communists and brought to various Communist countries during the Greek Civil War. In the 1970s, Tito gathered all of them back in Yugoslavia. The propaganda was already in them and they never stopped dreaming of a separate country named Macedonia that would include Greece. So it doesn’t matter if they were in Canada or Australia. If you claim that my dirt poor grandmother was paid by Royalists to feel Greek then why were her nieces (only children taken away without their parents to stop the propaganda) not paid to feel Greek? Why is it that only the children who had their parents with them do not feel hatred towards the Greeks? Some of their mothers were even from Athens…were there any ethnic Macedonians in Athens too?

As for maps, there is no map that ever shows Macedonia as a separate country before 1991. It was part of Greek territory always and considered Greek land even when it was under Turkish rule. Have you not been seeing maps on this website? There are more to come.

As for the muslim minority…which is so called under the Treaty of Lausanne…are the Latinos in the US known as a Mexican minority or Hispanic Americans? The same with the Muslim Greeks in Thracia. Some are Pomaks so are not really Turkish and don’t want to be called Turkish. The term muslim is an all-inclusive term and it is recognized and respected in Greece as the term Hispanic American is in the US.

I am sorry but I can’t continue this because you believe what you believe and I would have to write a book…that you would not believe. I am sorry that you feel this way.

Ntemis G21 says:

Who could imagine it!!! My little new Clown Bojan moved to another issue to spread his utter idiocy. Sorry to break your illusions but your Bulgarian origins have nothing to do with Macedonians. Macedonians were always Greek. Alexander was spreading Greek culture and language, not your Bulgarian dialect. How could he do it anyway??? At the time your Tataric ancestors were somewhere in Bolga making Unga Bunga up to the trees!!

Since your fascist state there in FYROM prohibits you from having access to the free world here is the answer to your question that unfortunately shatters your illusions.

You said “Can you please find any “rare”map were the teritory of the Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA is shown with the name Greece like a good proof.No ”

Start learning the Truth my poor brainwashed ex-Bulgarian victim.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w45/chrisphilipou/map1747.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w45/chrisphilipou/gracia1651.jpg

The rest of the maps showing the Dardanian/Paeonians lands of FYROM have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Macedonia can be found here:

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2008/10/09/macedonias-historic-borders-misconceptions/

Keep amusing us little clown.

westclub4 says:

Dear Christo, Bojan and readers,

If these people in the north are convienced in nowadays that they are Macedonians too, I am not the one who will protest against that. As far as I am concerned, it is significantly better for us -and, also, for them theml- to feel ”Macedonian” than to feel Slav or Bulgarian. Education and history will do the rest. I beleive in the future generations. They will certainly find their common way and make up for all Slavic muck and for the Bulgarian propaganda, as well.

As for Tito and his Stalinist movement, I do not support his ideas, nor his political bureaucratic deeds either. Indeed, the so called ”communists’ of the former Yugoslavia (and of the Eastern Block) did to working class politics more damage than any good. Hence, I guess that you understand that I am not a Stalinist myself.

As for the resistance movement into North Greece back in the 1940’s -and, in particular, about the Greek communists’ role into the Greek region of Macedonia, we need not argue today, because the population of this region has significantly altered and changed, ever since early 1920’s and again since late 1940’s. Hence, the then much contemporary call for an independent Macedonia and Thrake is not appropriate today anymore.

Nonetheless, a unified Macedonian state (or a federal state) could possibly be formed in the region after the pass of certain decades, following for instance the probable re-unification of Cyprus, with its capital still being situated at Thessaloniki and with the Greek language as its official state language, given that this language has always been the historic and original language of all Macedonians in the past.

The ethnicities into that state could either be Greek (i.e for Macedonians, Arvanitans and Vlachs, as well as for all the slavophone ethnic Macedonians who would feel ‘Greek to the bone’, like their ancient Macedonian forefathers) or Slav (and either Bulgarian or Serb, if the so wish) or Albanian (for the substantial minority of the Turkish-Albanians of the north, into the northwestern parts of contemporary FYROM). If that state were also to include the regions of the Greek southwestern Thrake, of the southern Boulgaria (i.e. Eastern Rumelia) as well as the Bulgarian region of the Pyrin and the Continental (i.e. the European) Turkish region of eastern Thrake, then the Turkish ethnicity should become added too for the Turkish and Moslem communities who would live into that particular regions, as well.

But, exploring the law of possibilities and of future probabilities with peoples and regions, as well as with imaginary and future supra-national states, might also lead us away from the vital subject, which is under perspective today.

Hence, we need to ask ourselves: Is it considerably better for Greece to have our northern neighbors outside the sphere of influence of modern day Bulgaria and Serbia? My answer to that question is ‘Yes’. Have we managed that in nowadays? Indeed, we ‘re getting there, though that particular process is time-consuming and still not very fruitful yet, to say the least.

Moreover, we only have a single objective and we need to focus upon it. To re-hellenicize the ethnic Macedonians of the north at a much quicker pace. Now that they are free to travel abroad and study into democratic and scientific institutions, they will find their correct destination again, exactly like Ullysseus (i.e. Odysseus) when he had to return home from the civil war against our ethnic brothers, the Troyans. Do not lose hope, they shall all return back home to Greek culture and to the Greek cosmopolitismos, sooner or later. It is their destiny to wonder around like a stray dog, but soon enough they will also follow the shinning Vergina Sun home to their final destination, which is none other than Greece and Hellenism.

Elias L.A.

Bojan says:

Hi Riste
Here i am again we were talking about your grandfather or half of your family that is talking slavic , well for shure they are Macedonians like me just he is the one who didnt run away from the greek royalist forces because probably they paid him well , and that is how you ended up with mixed filling about your nationality.But if your granfather is still alive you should ask him how many people did he betraied so that he can still leave in greece.And ask him was he able to talk on Macedonian and ask him did he learned in school on macedonian.As a matter afect you know what ,i am asking you how is it posible that in greece there is no minority ,except muslim minority which are turks but you greeks still dont whant to agree that they are turks same like you do have macedonians and vlahs and gypsies.You think that your ancestors are the antich greeks , people who respected and fight for freedom,well today for sure you are not those guys.Example , till 1970 is i am not sure you were living under a dictators , but some of you sadomazohists are still regreting for the time of Metaxas , because in his time you were the alfa males kiling and terorizing the Macedonians forcing them to sign that they are greeks by birth same condition that greek govrment has made for the Macedonians who wanted to come back after the civilian war.NExt time when you are going to write something write smaller text and i am going to answer to you guys one by one.this way i cant answer to evryone in one comment because it is too long and it is losing the sence
UNITED MACEDONIA

Bojan says:

To my latin friend Christos
Can you please find any “rare”map were the teritory of the Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA is shown with the name Greece like a good proof.No , it is same like you will never finde a map with Serbian teritory which is saying Macedonia etc.Well the turks realy know who was who.And please dont sell me that thing that on this map is saying on latin a greek land Macedonia because they were never rating This part of the aegeian Macedonia in greece and less others lands if you dont count the bizantian time were all the balcan was known as Greece , because you didnt have united state until 1826 , right or wrong , and then were united only the greek land and add to them land like epirus and tessalie , and that is why today you are having problems wiith the albanians in chemeria , but not the Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA which you are showing on that map and which is nothing else than award for the war with turks in 1912 and bulgarians 1913, and from when you have started to asimilate and egziled the macedonians.Come on Sir RISTO it is a fact that the greeks were trading the macedonian people from Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA with the greeks from eastern bulgaria and the islands in aegeian sea with turks ,greeks who were living their from the time of the colonies and truly forgot who they are so when they come in the 1921 started to push the rest of macedonians Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA and at the end in 49 they made to make half milion people to leave Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA all around the world.IT IS NOT only the small comunist box Macedonia like you are calling the state were i come from, the only state who received the refugees.You say that Macedonian comunisam and Titoisam has teaching them who they are.Lets say you are right , but what about the ones who finished in Australia and Canada who was making them to say they are Macedonians refugees who fill like Macedonians and are still alive , capitalist goverment of this states and many oders.Please dont say that you are macedonian and half of the family are refugees .Maybe they because the greeks were looking place to save themselves from the ideological war also like the all normal people,but dont say that you are macedonian and you have slavophonic members.THAT way i will start thinking you are Riste and you grandfather was a traitor who changed himself into greek to save himself

Christos says:

Dear Elias L.A. ,
I do not consider myself an ethnic Macedonian and I think you misunderstood me. I know my past and do not need to find it. It was never lost. I do not believe that ethnic Macedonians in the FYROM context exist. It is a political and not a historical creation. I do not come from FYROM. I am a Macedonian Greek with half of my family being bilingual (slavophone) Greeks who live in Greece. The Rainbow Party does not represent them -- it only represents about 5000 people in Greek Macedonia (mostly descendants of Communist guerrillas) that FYROM claims is the “Macedonian minority”. The rest of us (in an overwhelming 99.8% of the population of Greek Macedonia) are simply Greeks. As for your idea that Tito tried to save the Slavophone Greeks in Pelagonia/Vardarska Banovina/FYROM from Bulgarization or Serbianization I agree and disagree. Tito and his followers were Communists above all nationality and it was easy to denounce a previous nationality and form a new one. This is the essence of Communism. Yes the Yugoslavs tried to create a deBulgarized South Yugoslavia but in doing so they created a Macedonian ethnicity that was supposed to absorb the north of Greece as well. At the same time, he deHellenized the Slavic idiom and the people in Vardarska Banovina. The whole PanSlavic idea of a “Switzerland of the Balkans” was revived with Tito. He was a demagogue and may have been good for his people but ultimately destructive to Greeks in the north.
As for the Greek child refugees: Please make a difference between the ones taken by the Greek Communists and the ones who were taken by their parents who were Greek Communists.
The ones who were taken against their parents wishes: Why do family members who live in Bitola today say that they are Macedonians (not Slavs but not Greek either). Why then do the members who did not believe in Tito’s propaganda and returned to Greece after the Civil War feel Greek today? Most of the children who did not return after being taken by the KKE across the border had their last names changed from -oulos to -ski and were told that if they returned, they would be killed. I know these things because it is my family history.
It is also true that many Communist fighters fled to Yugoslavia after they lost to the Greek Army and took their children with them. It is those children who today claim they were expelled from Greece for being “Macedonians” and they want their property back. This is a ridiculous claim and unfortunately these children (adults now) are victims of Tito’s propaganda. This is the case with Nikola Gruevski whose grandfather Nikolaos Grouios died fighting for Greece against fascist Italy in 1940 but his parents who were communist supporters left Greece for Yugoslavia. So I strongly disagree with you about Tito.
Christos, a Macedonian Greek like 2 500 000 others.

westclub4 says:

Dear Bojan and dear Christos,

It is essential to see ethnic Macedonian brothers who come from the north into this site, searching about their true history and trying to find out about their ethnic and national past, about their true ancient ancestors and about their families’ roots. Indeed, not all Greeks are fascists, though there are still some, which are nonetheless less than 2-3% of the Greek population, which is non-significant. I guess that in your country there is also a small extreme right-wing and fascist minority, that is politically speaking, which is also a non-significant political paragon.

Moreover, as far as we are concerned with our initial historic topic, it is well documented that ancient ethnic Macedonians were neither Bulgarian nor Serb and i guess you ve already know that from history that you were taught at school. Ancient Macedonians were an ethnic Greek tribe and you should be proud of that fact if you trully consider yourself being an ethnic Macedonian today.

Although you may still speak the mixed Serbo-Bulgarian language of your former oppressors and occupiers and even if your name and possibly your surname is also south-Slavic or Bulgarian too, it is quite possible that there is definitively something which is still essentially and trully ethnic Macedonian about you, since you seem interested in your country’s ancient history and, in particular, in to the ethnic Macedonian past.

I hope that one day soon you will understand as well, that if you are trully an ethnic Macedonian yourself, you cannot be either a Slav or a Bulgarian, but the only correct nationality that you might look for is that of the old and ancient ethnic Macedonian ancestors of yours, which has been none other than Greek -and, Greek only, that is.

As far as Tito and Titoism is of any particular importance to our subject today, we should nonetheless recognize that he -along with the Yogoslav communists of the mid-1940’s, saved your slavophone ethnic Macedonian people (which is a brothering people to us ethnic Macedonian Greeks) from forced Bulgarization and from the Greater Serbian nationalism of the old. He has also set the initial and historic roots for your proper re-hellenicization -historically, not politically, speaking- at some time in the future.

However, at that particular point in time and in history, what was of particular importance to all of us Macedonians (i.e. to us historic Macedonian Greeks, which we were freed from the Slavs and from the Bulgarians back in 1912, as well as, to you in the north, that is the slavophone ethnic Macedonian Greek brothers of us, who were unfortunately found themselves outside Greece and under Slavic or Bulgarian rule), was to create a so called ”socialist” (or a Stalinist, to be more precise) Macedonian Republic, which would safeguard in the future the free existence of our slavophone ethnic Macedonian brothers from either Serb or Bulgarian oppression, and would save them from further slavicization and Bulgarianization, which would have been disastrous for our original Macedonian ethnos and for our historic Greek nation, as well.

Therefore, we should not be so ‘unfair’ we Macedonian Greeks today when we consider the historic-specific role of Tito and of his political deeds, back in the mid-1940’s.

Elias L.A.
Athens, Greece.

Christos says:

To Bojan:
I am the one who posted this map and drew the red lines that you state show “Macedonia and Greece are 2 different countries.” I think that the one who is blind is you. For your information: IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGEND: PARS SEPTENTRIONALIS GRAECIA ALITER MACEDONIA, THESSALIA, EPIRUS, CUM THRACIA IN LATIN MEANS: PART OF NORTHERN GREECE ALSO KNOWN AS MACEDONIA, THESSALIA, EPIRUS, AND THRACIA. I am sorry that you don’t know how to speak Latin and I am truly sorry about the state of education in your country. It is hard to accept being a victim of Titoist propaganda and now Gruevski-style propaganda that has created in you a feeling which is really political in nature and very far from the truth. Maybe you need to look at the map once again?
As for all your other comments about Greek killers in 1912, and Greeks not allowed to say the word Macedonian until 1988…what can I say? If you have lived all your life in a box known as Communism, you don’t know what happens outside that box. As for the KID REFUGEES: My whole family are kids of those refugees AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SAID THEY ARE GREEK. It was the communists who took them to Communist lands…and it was not the Greeks who expelled them because they were “ethnic Aegean Macedonians”. I know…this is my family history.
The truth hurts doesn’t it? You know of the Greek fable of the fox and the grapes? When the fox could not reach the grapes it spat at them and said they were sour. Maybe they taught you this in school?

Bojan says:

I am watching this map again and again ,and you know what , this Map is the real map of Macedonia and Greece , thanks to the one who put the red line under the names of Macedonia so that evrebody can make diference betwen the two countries.You can see this map everywhere and its nothing unusual its showing two diferent countries and for one Greeks are saying IT USE TO BE GREEKS LAND. Well gues what , the one who made this original map can see a diference beetwen two diferent countries and people , i cant see nowhere in the pink part where is saying Macedonia to say something like Greece or Greeks Province , hahahahahaha ,you greeks you are trying to make an optical ilusion , but the only one who is blinde are the greeks i gues.HEY GREEKS or WHATEVER YOU ARE , WAKE UP , MACEDONIANS FROM AEGEIAN PART OF MACEDONIA ARE PEOPLE FROM FLASH AND BLOOD WITH SOULS AND GOOD NUMBER OF THE KIDS REFUGEES IS ALIVE ASK THEM WHO THEY ARE WERE THEY WERE LIVING HOW IT HAPEND SO TODAY THEY LIVE IN R.MACEDONIA AND HOW THEY FILL THEMSELVES

Bojan says:

Whell you know what , it is true it is a realy rare map , because there is no other maps like this one.Probably it was drawn after 1912 and it was supose to look like the plans how fare the greks were thinking to get in the first balcan war , but obviosly you didnt made a good deal with your serbian brothers when you were divaiding the teritory of ethnic Macedonia.If the serbians have alowe the greeks to get tiill Skopje i am sure the greeks would not mind and today by the same fasistic politic Skopje was going to be an ancient greek teritory.Right.????If you are such a big Macedonians why did you let go Serbia and Bulgaria to divide the teritory in 1912 or greece was not strong enough to fith wiith evryone on the balcan so thats why they agree with anything(how can i agree to divide something that is mine).If that was macedonia you were supose to get it all and not to divide it with your fasitic neihgbors. The best thing for the greeks to get the reality is to start reading Philipicas from their famouse filosof Demosten and then maybe they can get in their stubborn heads , who is who , and that the greeks who are caliing themselvs macdonians are the same who were kiling and made on exodus the real macedonians , who until 1988 , when they were going to say they are macedonians and when they were speaking macedonian,can get the thruth were they come from.Oooooo i am sorry i didnt mean to say that the kilers were the greeks broth in aegeian part of Macedonia in the trades of people with Bulgaria during 1920 -- 1937 and they were living with thousands of years far from Greece so they forgot who they are and when they came in Macedonia they try to kill the Macedonian languege name and people so that they can call themselves Macedonians. Greeks make your mind what you are ???? IF you need help you have genetic like siince .Oooo Sory again you are afraid to check your roots because they are going to say that your blood is only 10percent greek and the rest is : arab , turks and only almmighty knows what else, and you canot go against sience and to proof the oposit.You have my email forcomentars , but please dont be angry , because this time you are not going to get Koinne Irene.

yorg0 says:

Επιστρατεύουν τον Μ. Αλέξανδρο σε σποτ!

Και με τηλεοπτικά σποτ που εμφανίζουν τον Μέγα Αλέξανδρο να επιτίθεται στα… Γαυγάμηλα επιχειρεί τώρα η κυβέρνηση των Σκοπίων να «συνεπάρει» τους πολίτες της, παραλληλίζοντας τις επιτυχείς μάχες του στρατηλάτη με αυτήν που δίνεται αυτές τις μέρες για τη διεκδίκηση του ονόματος Μακεδονία. «Πιστεύω στον εαυτό μου, πιστεύω στη νίκη, εσύ είσαι η Μακεδονία», φέρεται να λέει ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος στο σποτ, ακολουθούμενος από μακεδονική φάλαγγα σαν να καλεί εμμέσως τους Σκοπιανούς να είναι σε επαγρύπνηση λίγο πριν από την επίθεση…

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*Ο Μέγας Αλέκος ομιλεί στα … ντόπια!

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*Όλα τα λεφτά είναι το όνομα της … Κλεοπάτρας στα κυριλλικά υπό τους ήχους του Παπαθανασίου (Μιλάμε για κλοπή σε όλα τα επίπεδα!) Α, ναι και ο Πούτιν είναι επίγονος του μεγάλου στρατηλάτη…

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*Άθελά του κι εδω ο Πούτιν ξαναπαίζει τον ρόλο του. Εδώ εκπροσωπείται από το πλήρωμα ενός υποβρυχίου που αναδύεται … στην Makedonija!
Α, ναι η διαφήμιση γυρίστηκε για λογαριασμό της η Cosmofon, θυγατρική της Cosmote στην πΓΔΜ…