Nick Nikolas says:

Greece was not a country. Greece was the union of all civilized countries. If there were countries being not part of Greece is that they did not have the necessary civilization to be part of Greece.

Manolis says:

In relation to the video shown here rel="nofollow"> (yorg0 has put the link) I noticed something else: in addition to all the greek names written in cyrillic, we can see that Nikola Tesla (the serb scientist and inventor) is a “macedonian” himself! FYROMian transformation has no ending at all!

REAL Macedonian says:

LOL — maybe skopje is not in macedonia in this map, but many more ARE :-)))

especially you may see river pchinja which is on this map whole in macedonia, but in today’s maps its springs are in serbia -- that far north.

VASILEIOS says:

SLAVOALBANIANS ( MONKEYDONSKI) FROM DARDANIA (DARDANI-SKOPJANS), ANCIENT NAME SCUPI , YOU SKOPJANS, ANCIENT DARDANIANS (THRACO-ILLYRIAN TRIBE) USED TO BE THE WORSE ENEMIES OF ANCIENT MACEDONIANS ( DORIAN HELLENIC TRIBE) EXACTLY AS YOU ARE NOWDAYS, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A LOOK HERE AND LEARN HISTORY :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardania_(Europe) .

westclub4 says:

Dear ethnic Macedonian brother Bojan / dear fellow Greek readers / dear comrades in arms of the Hellenic Peninsula,

Of course, it is about time that all ethnic minorities in contemporary Greece should have the right to declare themselves as they wish. I fully support their right to do so even though I ‘d personaly disagree with the particular choise of the name that those minorities would chose for their own internal and cross-communal daily usage. Moreover, it is about time to understand that there are also many ethnic Macedonians who do not yet speak Greek or who do not speak Greek only and who also do not yet feel Greek at all. Indeed, some of them could even feel in opposition to Greece and to the contemporary Greek bourgeois’ state, which can also oppress them ethnically and socially, by its particular socio-economic way of life and by its politico-historical elite’s aims and goals, as well as, propaganda and public information system.

It is about time that we modern Greeks see that there are slavophone ethnic Macedonians in our country, who do not feel Greek or Greek only yet. Although I am not one of them -and, not by any means, either- I fully appreciate and completely understand them and their particular need to collectively proclaim of themselves ethnically whatever they wish. It is their absolute democratic right to find a name of their chosing, in order to call themselves and also their community according to that. This is also despite of the fact that I would personaly disagree on scientific and on absolute socio-historic terms and conditions with the name under perspective, i.e. Ethnic Macedonians.

The reason for my objection is that this is a tribal or an ethnic name, not a name of a nation. Indeed, it takes of more than one ethnic group of people to declare them a separate nation. It is by that token that I significantly object to the use of their ethnic name for stating of their nationality, as well. You cannot be an ethnic Macedonian and also not being a Greek as well -like in the old days. Equally, you cannot in nowadays be an ethnic Macedonian and also not being either a Greek or a Slav, be it either a Serbian Slav or a Bulgarian Slav, or a bit of both also.

Well, of course, one could be a slavophone ethnic Macedonian and yet not at all a Slav of whatever kind (that is, in nationality) or, indeed, one could also be a prime Greek-speaker and yet not at all Greek (also in nationality), either. Moreover, one could not be plain and simply a Macedonian for this is what he declares or because he simply beleives so. That is so, because being an ethnic Macedonian states only his tribal name (i.e. that is, only his ethnic name of birthplace and of origin, and yet nothing more) and not his proper nationality, nor his particular national culture either.

Indeed, it is true that throughout history Macedonia and, in particular Macedonian, were known to have been ethnic Greek names -one of the many tribal or ethnic Greek names that were to be used by the ancient and historic Greek tribes and, also for quite some time in the past. Practically, being a Macedonian did not mean that you were not Greek. As a matter of fact, the opposite was the case. Being a Macedonian in the past also meant that you were Greek, as well. The meaning of the adjective Macedonian has not been a national one but, only a tribal one or an ethnic name of a particular tribe, which belonged to a much larger nation.
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That has been the case for many centuries before the Avaro-Slavs, the Tataro-Bulgarians, the Antes, the Vindes and the Vendes had ever set foot in the Hellenic Peninsula. When we say today ethnic Bulgarian or an ethnic Serb, we mean that he is a Slav -that is, nationally and culturally speaking. But, when we refer to either the slavophone ethnic Macedonians of the north or to the ethnic Albanians of Kosovo and to those within Fyrom, what do we say about their nationality?

Well, to my opinion, both the slavophone ethnic Macedonians of the north and the ethnic Albanians of whichever Albanian land, simply do not constitute of any proper nationality either. Either the ethnic Macedonians are Greek or Slav -be it either of the Bulgarian ethnic stock or of the Serbian one (or are they of a completely different ethnic and national stock be it either Albanian, Romanian, or Turkish). Equally, the same applies to contemporary Albanians, as well. Either they are Greek or Turkish, or Latin or Slav, and so on. Yet, they cannot be simply Albanian or Skipetar. This is only an ethnic or a tribal name, not a national one. Hence, they need to find a stronger and yet, a bigger, nation to belong to. They need a historical-political patron, apart from the one they ‘ve found already -that is, the American, to keep it short.

Nonetheless, modern-day ethnic Albanians have quite understood that and they attest their glory to the ancient Illyrians, which is conventionally thought to have been that ancient and strong cultural bigger nation that they need today, in order to get by in the modern bourgeois world. Moreover, they struggle really hard to find a single word from their contemporary Graeco-Latin language that could either relate to ancient Illyrian language or neither to ancient Greek or Latin, in order to prove their case, but -still, that effort is also in vain.

Hence, it is to the great historical misfortune to both the so-called slavophone ”ethnic Macedonians” of the north and to contemporary Albanians (or to the Skipetar people) not to consist of a nation by only themselves, and to close the eye at all times and at all costs to either the Greeks or the Turks, or to the Slavs, or the Italian-Latin peoples, or even to distant peoples that are to be found further than the Atlantic Ocean and in the American continent.

Sooner or later, the ethnic Macedonians of the north will have to chose the nation they consider that is closer to themselves or simply the nation that they seem to think they belong to. The same would also be true for the ethnic Albanians, as well. Modern day Greece is a peripheral sub-imperialist bourgeois nation-state, which agknowledges of that fact very well and awaits for the right moment. The same applies for Turkey, Italy, Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, as well. The main players for the Albanians are the Greeks, the Italians and the Turks, whereas for the ethnic Macedonians there are the Greeks, the Bulgarians and if they ever regain of their old national strength, the Serbs too.

To that ultimate fight over the historic Macedonian soil it is probably only the Greeks that would stand a significant chance of winning anything at all, if any. The Bulgarians yet they need another fifty years or so, whereas the Serbs are out, still they are not dead yet. Ethnic Macedonian brothers of the north, if you know what it really means to be a Macedonian at all, you need to make a quick and yet a steady choise, and the time is running. You either go for the culture and the nation of your ancient and historic forefathers and ancestors or you opt for your former oppressors and occupiers, the south-Slavs and the Bulgarians. Yet, ethnic Macedonian brothers of the north, you always need to remember that indeed you are not Slavs simply because you happen to speak in nowadays a barbaric and also a foreign Slavic medieval language.

Since you are also true Macedonians of the original ancient Macedonian stock you ‘ve got nothing in common with your former oppressors and occupiers of your historic northern Macedonian lands. Indeed, you ‘ve got more things in common with the indigenous ethnic Macedonian Greeks of the south, as well as with the Romanicized Vlachs (if they really are Greeks or either Greaco-Thracians, as they themselves today assume and also proclaim) and with the ethnic Albanians too (in which case, they also need to prove that they are of an indigenous Graeco-Illyrian ethnic stock or of an at least significant Thracian-Dardanian ethnic stock and cultural origin) than with anyone other ethnic tribe who duells in the Balkans today -and, which may also speak Slav and at the same time also feel Slav or Bulgarian, as well.

We need not forget either that this particular ”slavophonea” of yours is nonetheless the byproduct of a centuries’ long enslavement to -and, of propaganda and oppression, by- the Slavs and the Bulgarians, whose initially foreign language you have actually obtained at some point in the past, and yet for this or that particular reason of convinience or of survival.

Indeed, the language that you concurrently speak is not an ancient, nor an indigenous one to the land and to the Macedonian geographical area. Neither is it the language of the original ethnic Macedonians of the old, nor the historic language of Alexander the Great and either of Philippe. Indeed, it is to you only a foreign language and also foreign and barbaric to the sensitive ears of your glorious ethnic Macedonian ancestors, which you have only recently obtained from your former Bulgarian and south-Slavic raiders, invaders, oppressors and occupiers.

Long live the future federal and democratic people’s Hellenic Republic! Long live a united and also a free Macedonia within that new Hellenic Republic! Long live our ethnic Macedonian brothers in the north! Long live ancient Greeks and the ancient Macedonian Greek tribe! Long live the Pelasgians, the Thrako-Illyrians, the Arkadians, the Acheans, the Danaians, the Ionians and the Dorians, the Macedonians and the Epirotans, the Greeks and the historic Hellenes!

One day the Hellenic Peninsula will be set free again and united into a single Federal Democratic Pan-Hellenic Republic of its Peoples. Indeed, one day soon, we can all become brothers again and free ourselves from oppression and from exploitation of one another. Long live the future Hellenic Republic! Long live the Hellenic Peoples!

Elias L.A.
Athens, Greece.

Dimitrios says:

@Bojan / Fenix

and other deeply indoctrinated by state-sponsored, totalitarian propaganda.

From the moment you do not produce any proof of your claims,
but offensive language and unsubstantiated beliefs,
you’re discrediting yourselves from any discussion.

Nobody is going to take you seriously,
on the contrary, you ridicule and make a fool of yourself!

Ntemis G21 says:

My little clown Bojan/Fenix or…whatever your new fake name will be,

What i enjoy mostly about you brainwashed Fyromians is the fact that each time your Illusions will be shot down one by one, you will so easily make a new fake identity, pretending to be allegedly someone else and start the same BS. Thats why my little jester Bojan/Fenix you and your people will be eternally the laughing stock of the universe!!! There is evidently NO decency in you but your whole existence is full of hate, lies and blatant distortion of facts. Who are you trying to fool bre Moron of the Morons pretending to be someone else? Firstly try to eliminate your attrocities in grammar of English language and stop writing like a dyslectic Idiot from a mental institution!!

All of the reader take a good look at this sad freak case of extreme brainwashing and paranoia. How much more stupid and ridiculous can someone like this clown can be to humiliate himself by making a fake profile in order to…”defend” his alter ego!!!! Absolutely Pathetic!!

Fenix says:

To all

All right evrybody stop writing about evrything and why just dont try to find some decision, or like the politicians you can not find one.That is probably because people like this ntemis and instead of letting him playing clown you are the one with your funny maps where realy we cant see the nothern greece on the old maps with name greece it is in 90 percent Macedonia for which we claim its ours , the macedonian from fyrom are claiming its theirs and there will be no end of this.Ntemis dont hate even if you were fed since birth with hate you will die hated ,by the other hand Bojan is only trying to explain were from the Macedonians are coming from.We the Hellens are just trying to get him on the right road but the road that we think its right.We like humans must respect his right to make choice which for us will be wrong and for him probably the right one.Let him stay in his world.By the way one day we gonna need to say YES to the minorities in our state , and we need to say YES we did take the so caled Aegeian Macedonia from the Turks in 1912 we did use to have more neighbors who were not speaking greek language neither were saying that are greeks and some of our goverments were forcing them on many other ways , so until the 80 we were not feling free to say that we are Macedonians and we were not alowing to any other nationality to say that they are something else than greeks and especialy that they are macedonians.Its a fact that that people have suported the comunist in the civilian war ( i meanth the last one not the trojan which i bearly belive that was a civilian which to be honest laugh me a litle bitt)Please dont alowe the world to think that we are megalomans talking all around that evrybody in the southeastern europe was a greek,maybe in the legend for the creation of the world but in reality god made much more nations, which rights need to be respected, and for now our Greece is not doing enough.At the end :”why are we arguing with that small Republic on the Balcans if we are the right ones and if we dont have from what to be scared , we made enough sinns to that people so it is time to leave them alone and themselves on their own , but we are scared that it is going to come back on our back the same missfortune one day”- Thats my grandfather who fight against the comunist use to say.Do we all have a reason to be scared?

Bojan says:

DEAR RISTE THAT 5000 IS THE ONE WHO ARE STILL BRAVE TO SAY NO TO THE GREEK ASIMILATION THAT IS NOT ENDING ALMOST 100 YEARS AND WHO DONT CARE ARE THEY GOING TO BE TERORISED BY THE GOVERMENT AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE WRITING UNBELIVABLE BOOKS.

YOU SAID :The “refugees” or “detsa begalsti” as you call them who are now in Toronto and Australia who claim that they were expelled are the descendants of either Greek Communist or Yugoslav-inspired NOF fighters who fled Greece after the Civil War.

SIR IF YOU ARE WRITING A BOOK YOU NEED TO BE SURE IN WHAT YOU ARE WRITING NOT TO SAY “EITHER”NOT TO BE SURE ABOUT SOMEONES NATIONALITY AND YET TRYING TO TELL HIM THAT HI IS SOMETHING ELSE , SAME LIKE YOUR POOR GRANDMOTHER FOR WHOCH YOU SAID ……..If you claim that my dirt poor grandmother was paid by Royalists to feel Greek then why were her nieces (only children taken away without their parents to stop the propaganda) not paid to feel Greek?
WELL WHO IS NOE PAING ME TO SAY THAT I AM MACEDONIAN AND TO FELL LIKE MACEDONIAN THE COMUNIST , TITO , OR SOME SAINTS.

THERE WAS NEVER ANY GATHERING OF THE GEFUGEES MACEDONIAN FROM TITOS COMUNIST PARTY IN THE 70 IES , THE MACEDONIAN REFUGESS WERE NOT EVEN ALOWED TO EXPOSED THEMSELVES LIKE MORE THAN MACEDONIANS WHO CAME FROM GREECE , BECAUSE THE COMUNIST POLITICS IN THAT TIME AND THE AGREEMANT BEETWEN TITO AND BRITISH WHO WERE ALWAYS PROTECTIN YOR BACK.
AS FOR THE TURKS MINORITY WHO YOU ARE CALLING THEM POMAKS , PLEASE DONT BE THAT MUCH GOOD WITH THEM (THERE IS AN ISRAELI WRITER WHO HIS BOOK STARTED WITH … PLEASE GOD DO NOT LOVE US THAT MUCH…THAT IS AFTER THE HOLOCAUST , BECCAUSE ITS BELIVED THAT ISRAELIS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT GOD LOVES THEM MOST.wHAT KIND OF LOVE THEY WERE SUPOSE TO EXPECT AFTER THE HOLOCAUST AND EVRYTHING THAT THEY HAVE SURVIVED IN THEIR HISTORY SIMULAR LIKE OURS MACEDONIAN)PLEASE GREEKS DO NOT LOVE YOUR MINORITIES THAT MUCH
BILINGUAL GREEKS ?????????????????WHAT IS THATI AM A BILINGUAL MACEDONIAN WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH AND MACEDONIAN ,BUT I AM NOT AN ENGLISH I AM STILL MACEDONIAN.BUT ANYWAY EVEN IF THE SO CALED SLAVIC MINORITY IS MACEDONO-BULGARIANS AND LIKE YOU ALL CLAIM THEY LIVE THERE WITH CENTURIES THEY COLD BE THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS NOT YOU GREEKS AND WHY DONT RECOGNISE IT LIKE THAT WAY HOW THEY FILL.

YOU SAID :My family remembers some from our village. And yes they spoke Bulgarski because the Bulgarian komitadjis made them do so.
SO HOW THE BULGARIAN KOMITS MADE THEM SPEAK LIKE THAT.HOW MANY LANGUAGES DO YOU SPEAK MISTER RISTO AND YOU ARE LIVING IN SOCIATY WERE ARE SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITY (PROBABLY YOU HAVE THEM BUT TELLING LIES) SO HOW MANY THEY COULD LEARN IN SHORT PERIOD OR IT WAS AN ALLIEN FORCE THAT TEACH MILION OF PEOPLE TO SPEAK FOREIN LANGUAGE IN 50 YEARS FROM WHO MOST OF THEM WEREPEASENTS ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Bojan says:

TO WESTCLUB4:
INDEED WE CAN BE YOUR BROTHERS FROM THE NORTH BUT AS SOON AS THE GREEK GOVERMENT AND THAT 2.5 PERCENT OF THE FASISTIC GREEK MINORITY STOP SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT REAL LIKE THE MACEDONIANS IN THE AEGEAIAN PART OF MACEDONIA ARE NOT REAL AND THAT THEY ARE GREEKS,BUT MACEDONIANS.THEY ARE THE MACEDONIANS SAME LIKE ME AND THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY THE RAINBOW PARTY WHICH MEMBERSARE STILL TODAY INTEROGATED BY THE GREE POLICE LIKE THEY ARE TERORIST.WELL IT DIDNT LOOK TO ME AND TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT THERE IS ONLY 5000 AFTER THE CELEBRATION IN VILAGE OF OVCARANI(I DONT KNOW THE GREEK NAME FOR THIS VILAGE BECAUSE GREEKS CHANGED ALL THE SLAVIC OLD NAMES INTO SOME GREEK JUST TO DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT SHOW THAT THERE WERE LIVING MACEDONIAN PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT FILLING THEMSELVES LIKE GREEKS BY BIRTH.YOU GREEKS CAN RESOLVE THIS MACEDONIAN PROBLEM THAT YOU ARE AFRAID SO MUCH ON A SIMPLE WAY.ASK FROM THE GOVERMENT TO ALLOWE TO ALL THE MACEDONIANS,WHOARE REFUGEES (WHO ARE STILL ALIVE )AND WHO STILL THINKS THAT ARE TRUE MACEDONIANS LIKE ME AND THE PEOPLE FROM PIRIN AND VARDAR PART OF MACEDONIA, TO ALLOWE THEM TO COME BACK IN THE EGEIAN PART OF MACEDONIA (TODAY UNDER GREECE SINCE 1912 )AND THEN SEE HOW MANY ARE THEY.BUT THAT IS A NIGHTMARE FOR EVERY GREEK GOVERMENT SINCE 1912.DONT VORY EVRYBODY IN THE WORLD IS CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE SEPARATE ETHNIC CLEAN TERITORY IN 1912.EXCUSE THAT YOU WITH THE ALLIES ARE LIBERETING THAT MACEDONIAN PEOPLE.nDONT BE AFRAID YOUR ASIMILATING POLITIC WAS GOOD ENOUGH SO TODAY WE DONT WANT THE LANDS BACK FROM THE BULGARIANS NEITHER YOU, JUST WE NEED YOU TO ADMIT THAT THERE IS MACEDONIANS, THE REAL ONES AND THEY DO SPEAK SLAVICJUST ITS DIFERENT DIALECT LIKE ALL ACROSS TODAY R.MACEDONIA ,NOT FAKE LIKE SOME GREEK COLONIST WHO SETLLED AEGEIAN PART OF MACEDONIA DURING THE EXCANGE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE 20-ES AND HAS MORE TURKISH BLOOD THAN THE TURKISH PEOPLE ITSELF.
DEAR WESTCLUB4 REASON THAT I ENTER IN THIS BLOG AND I AM MAKING COMMENTS , IS NOT TO LEARN ABOUT MY NATION WELL TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GREEK NATION BECAUSE THAT WAY I CAN BETER KNOW MY ENEMY AND I CAN ALWAYS GIVE THEM THE TRUTH THE RIGHT ANSWER IN FIRST HAND ,NOT MIXED IN POLITIC BUT PURE HISTORY AND FACTS, AND MAYBE THAT WAY THEY CAN FIGUREOUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING AND THAT THEY NEED TO STOP LIVING IN METAXAS ERA.STOP WITH THAT MEGALOMANIC IDEA
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME AND TELL ME WHY THE GREEKS NEVER TALK ABOUT THE FIRST AND THE SECOND BALCAN WAR AND WHAT DID THEY GET AND WHAT DID THEY LOST FROM THE WAR.WHY THERE IS A BIG BLACK HOLE ABOUT THE CIVILIAN WAR AND THE GREEK COMUNIST PARTY FROM THAT TIME(NOT TODAYS)AND THE MACEONIANS WHO WERE FIGHTING ON THE SIDE OF THE GREEK COMUNIST ,WHY YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE GREEK PEOPLE DURING BIZANTIAN TIME OR DURING THE SLAVIC MIGRATION FOR WHICH ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO CLAIM THAT THEY DIDNT MAKE SO FAR TO PELOPONES.GREEKS ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HE ANCHIENT GREEK HISTORY TO WHICH TODAYS GREEKS ARE NOT FOLLOWER AT ALL , ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE PART OF GREEK HISTORY WHICH WAS NEVER GREEK HISTORY -- THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT MACEDONIAN , AND MACEDONIANS

Ntemis G21 says:

Who could imagine it!!! My little new Clown Bojan moved to another issue to spread his utter idiocy. Sorry to break your illusions but your Bulgarian origins have nothing to do with Macedonians. Macedonians were always Greek. Alexander was spreading Greek culture and language, not your Bulgarian dialect. How could he do it anyway??? At the time your Tataric ancestors were somewhere in Bolga making Unga Bunga up to the trees!!

Since your fascist state there in FYROM prohibits you from having access to the free world here is the answer to your question that unfortunately shatters your illusions.

You said “Can you please find any “rare”map were the teritory of the Aegeian Part of MACEDONIA is shown with the name Greece like a good proof.No ”

Start learning the Truth my poor brainwashed ex-Bulgarian victim.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w45/chrisphilipou/map1747.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w45/chrisphilipou/gracia1651.jpg

The rest of the maps showing the Dardanian/Paeonians lands of FYROM have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Macedonia can be found here:

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2008/10/09/macedonias-historic-borders-misconceptions/

Keep amusing us little clown.

Bojan says:

Hi Riste
Here i am again we were talking about your grandfather or half of your family that is talking slavic , well for shure they are Macedonians like me just he is the one who didnt run away from the greek royalist forces because probably they paid him well , and that is how you ended up with mixed filling about your nationality.But if your granfather is still alive you should ask him how many people did he betraied so that he can still leave in greece.And ask him was he able to talk on Macedonian and ask him did he learned in school on macedonian.As a matter afect you know what ,i am asking you how is it posible that in greece there is no minority ,except muslim minority which are turks but you greeks still dont whant to agree that they are turks same like you do have macedonians and vlahs and gypsies.You think that your ancestors are the antich greeks , people who respected and fight for freedom,well today for sure you are not those guys.Example , till 1970 is i am not sure you were living under a dictators , but some of you sadomazohists are still regreting for the time of Metaxas , because in his time you were the alfa males kiling and terorizing the Macedonians forcing them to sign that they are greeks by birth same condition that greek govrment has made for the Macedonians who wanted to come back after the civilian war.NExt time when you are going to write something write smaller text and i am going to answer to you guys one by one.this way i cant answer to evryone in one comment because it is too long and it is losing the sence
UNITED MACEDONIA

Christos says:

Dear Elias L.A. ,
I do not consider myself an ethnic Macedonian and I think you misunderstood me. I know my past and do not need to find it. It was never lost. I do not believe that ethnic Macedonians in the FYROM context exist. It is a political and not a historical creation. I do not come from FYROM. I am a Macedonian Greek with half of my family being bilingual (slavophone) Greeks who live in Greece. The Rainbow Party does not represent them -- it only represents about 5000 people in Greek Macedonia (mostly descendants of Communist guerrillas) that FYROM claims is the “Macedonian minority”. The rest of us (in an overwhelming 99.8% of the population of Greek Macedonia) are simply Greeks. As for your idea that Tito tried to save the Slavophone Greeks in Pelagonia/Vardarska Banovina/FYROM from Bulgarization or Serbianization I agree and disagree. Tito and his followers were Communists above all nationality and it was easy to denounce a previous nationality and form a new one. This is the essence of Communism. Yes the Yugoslavs tried to create a deBulgarized South Yugoslavia but in doing so they created a Macedonian ethnicity that was supposed to absorb the north of Greece as well. At the same time, he deHellenized the Slavic idiom and the people in Vardarska Banovina. The whole PanSlavic idea of a “Switzerland of the Balkans” was revived with Tito. He was a demagogue and may have been good for his people but ultimately destructive to Greeks in the north.
As for the Greek child refugees: Please make a difference between the ones taken by the Greek Communists and the ones who were taken by their parents who were Greek Communists.
The ones who were taken against their parents wishes: Why do family members who live in Bitola today say that they are Macedonians (not Slavs but not Greek either). Why then do the members who did not believe in Tito’s propaganda and returned to Greece after the Civil War feel Greek today? Most of the children who did not return after being taken by the KKE across the border had their last names changed from -oulos to -ski and were told that if they returned, they would be killed. I know these things because it is my family history.
It is also true that many Communist fighters fled to Yugoslavia after they lost to the Greek Army and took their children with them. It is those children who today claim they were expelled from Greece for being “Macedonians” and they want their property back. This is a ridiculous claim and unfortunately these children (adults now) are victims of Tito’s propaganda. This is the case with Nikola Gruevski whose grandfather Nikolaos Grouios died fighting for Greece against fascist Italy in 1940 but his parents who were communist supporters left Greece for Yugoslavia. So I strongly disagree with you about Tito.
Christos, a Macedonian Greek like 2 500 000 others.

Christos says:

To Bojan:
I am the one who posted this map and drew the red lines that you state show “Macedonia and Greece are 2 different countries.” I think that the one who is blind is you. For your information: IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGEND: PARS SEPTENTRIONALIS GRAECIA ALITER MACEDONIA, THESSALIA, EPIRUS, CUM THRACIA IN LATIN MEANS: PART OF NORTHERN GREECE ALSO KNOWN AS MACEDONIA, THESSALIA, EPIRUS, AND THRACIA. I am sorry that you don’t know how to speak Latin and I am truly sorry about the state of education in your country. It is hard to accept being a victim of Titoist propaganda and now Gruevski-style propaganda that has created in you a feeling which is really political in nature and very far from the truth. Maybe you need to look at the map once again?
As for all your other comments about Greek killers in 1912, and Greeks not allowed to say the word Macedonian until 1988…what can I say? If you have lived all your life in a box known as Communism, you don’t know what happens outside that box. As for the KID REFUGEES: My whole family are kids of those refugees AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SAID THEY ARE GREEK. It was the communists who took them to Communist lands…and it was not the Greeks who expelled them because they were “ethnic Aegean Macedonians”. I know…this is my family history.
The truth hurts doesn’t it? You know of the Greek fable of the fox and the grapes? When the fox could not reach the grapes it spat at them and said they were sour. Maybe they taught you this in school?

Bojan says:

Whell you know what , it is true it is a realy rare map , because there is no other maps like this one.Probably it was drawn after 1912 and it was supose to look like the plans how fare the greks were thinking to get in the first balcan war , but obviosly you didnt made a good deal with your serbian brothers when you were divaiding the teritory of ethnic Macedonia.If the serbians have alowe the greeks to get tiill Skopje i am sure the greeks would not mind and today by the same fasistic politic Skopje was going to be an ancient greek teritory.Right.????If you are such a big Macedonians why did you let go Serbia and Bulgaria to divide the teritory in 1912 or greece was not strong enough to fith wiith evryone on the balcan so thats why they agree with anything(how can i agree to divide something that is mine).If that was macedonia you were supose to get it all and not to divide it with your fasitic neihgbors. The best thing for the greeks to get the reality is to start reading Philipicas from their famouse filosof Demosten and then maybe they can get in their stubborn heads , who is who , and that the greeks who are caliing themselvs macdonians are the same who were kiling and made on exodus the real macedonians , who until 1988 , when they were going to say they are macedonians and when they were speaking macedonian,can get the thruth were they come from.Oooooo i am sorry i didnt mean to say that the kilers were the greeks broth in aegeian part of Macedonia in the trades of people with Bulgaria during 1920 -- 1937 and they were living with thousands of years far from Greece so they forgot who they are and when they came in Macedonia they try to kill the Macedonian languege name and people so that they can call themselves Macedonians. Greeks make your mind what you are ???? IF you need help you have genetic like siince .Oooo Sory again you are afraid to check your roots because they are going to say that your blood is only 10percent greek and the rest is : arab , turks and only almmighty knows what else, and you canot go against sience and to proof the oposit.You have my email forcomentars , but please dont be angry , because this time you are not going to get Koinne Irene.