The Ancient Macedonian Language according to Modern Sources


AncientMacedonianHistory1 The Ancient Macedonian Language according to Modern Sources

(2) The Language of Ancient Macedonians according to modern Linguists and Historians
* Hammond & Griffith “A History of Macedonia 550-336 BC” Vol II

“Macedonian was not a non-Greek language but a dialect of the
Greek language
in which Alexander spoke for a special purpose;
and in the case of his order the vocabulary, as well as the
pronunciation, was probably particular to this dialect. On
a later occasion the Macedonian”

* Toynbee, A.J

“King Philip II’s momentous decision to make, not the native
Macedonian variety of North-East Greek
, but Attic the
official language of the kingdom of Macedon which, in the
next generation, had generated the Greek successor states of
the Persian Empire.”

* P.A.Brunt.

“The relics of the Macedonian language, such as the names of
places and persons, both human and divine {..} show that it
was basically Greek with an admixture of [probably] Illyrian

* Martin, Thomas R (1996) “Ancient Greece From Prehistoric to
Hellenistic Times” pg. 188.

Macedonians had their own language related to Greek, but the
members that dominated Macedonian society routinely learned
to speak Greek because they thought of themselves and indeed all
Macedonians as Greek by blood

* Hammond (1992) “The Miracle that was Macedonia” pg. 206.

As members of the Greek race and speakers of the Greek language,
the Macedonians shared in the ability to initiate ideas and
create political forms.”

* O.Masson (1996) “The Oxford Classical Dictionary 3rd ed. Macedonia,
Language” pgs 905-906

Masson states:
Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it an
Aeolic dialect [O. Hoffmann compared Thessalian] we must by
now think of a link with North west Greek [Locrian, Aetolian,
Phocidian, Epirote]. This view is supported by the recent
discovery at Pella of a curse tablet [4th c BC] which may
well be the first ‘Macedonian’ text attested
publication by E. Voutyras; cf. the Bulletin Epigraphique
in Rev.Et.Grec.1994no.413]; the text includes an adverb “opoka”
which is not Thessalian.
We must wait for new discoveries, but we may tentatively
conclude that Macedonian is a dialect related to North-West

* R. Malcolm Errington, ‘A History of Macedonia’
University of California Press, February 1993, pg 3

That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain.”

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* Robin Lane Fox, Alexander the Great Page 30.

he was still in a world of Greek gods and sacrifices, of Greek plays and Greek language,though the natives might speak Greek with a northern accent which hardened ‘ch’ into ‘g’,’th’ into ‘d’ and pronounced King Philip as Bilip“.

* Richard Billows, “Antigonus the One-Eyed”, pages 18-20

I think it highly likely that they were, for three reasons: the overwhelming majority of personal names known to have been used by Macedonians were good Greek names; the names of the months in the Macedonian calendar were basically Greek in form

* Andrew Robert Burn, “A Traveller’s History of Greece” , 1984, Italian edition of 1991 by Arnoldo Mondatori Editore S.p.A. , Milano, page 359 [*]

Macedonia , extended along the fertile land of lower Axios , was a region of robust agricolturs and of nobles devoted in equitation , that spoke a Rough Greek Dialect , incomprehensible to the Athenians and for that defined “barbarian” “.

* Graham Shipley ,The Greek World After Alexander, 323-30 Bc By , Page 111

Despite ancient and modern controversies it seems clear that the Macedonians as a whole were Greek-speakers. While the elite naturally communicated with other elites in standard, probably Attic, the ordinary Macedonians appear to have spoken a dialect of Greek, albeit with load-words from Illyrian and thracian which gave ammunition to their denigrators.

* Eric Carlton (1992) Occupation: The Policies and Practices of Military Conquerors Page 55

The Macedonian language has not survived in any extant text, but their personal and place names, and the names of their gods strongly suggest a Greek dialect.

*Anna Panayotou, Position of the Macedonian dialect

Its apparent, yet from the early 4rth Century, Macedonians, greek-speaking tribe of North-Western dialectical group, up to that time in the fridges of Greek-speaking world, adopted firstly for their diplomatical contacts and later for all the forms of written speech, the Attic dialect

*James L. O’Neil’s , presentation at the 2005 Conference of the Australasian Society for Classical Studies, entitled “Doric Forms in Macedonian Inscriptions” (abstract):

A fourth‐century BC curse tablet from Pella shows word forms which are clearly Doric, but a different form of Doric from any of the west Greek dialects of areas adjoining Macedon. Three other, very brief, fourth century inscriptions are also indubitably Doric. These show that a Doric dialect was spoken in Macedon, as we would expect from the West Greek forms of Greek names found in Macedon. And yet later Macedonian inscriptions are in Koine avoiding both Doric forms and the Macedonian voicing of consonants. The native Macedonian dialect had become unsuitable for written documents.”


*Chrys C. Caragounis, The Unity and Evolution of the Greek language

In the fourth century B.C. Philip II (or perhaps his predecessors) adopted the Attic dialect as the official language of Makedonia, because its Greek dialect was too uncouth, undeveloped and lacking in refinement.

* Alan Fildes , Alexander the Great, son of the gods, page12

Although the Macedonians spoke a Greek dialect, worshipped Greek gods and traced their nation’s origins from Olympian gods, their customes and northern Doric accent were markedly different from those of the people of the rest of Greece, who saw the Macedonia as a largely insignificant, backward monarchy

*Jonathan Hall, Hellenicity, page 155

For what it is worth, the evidence – sparse as it is – suggests that a form of Northwest Greek was spoken in Makedonia, but structural linguistic affiliation does not guarantee intelligibility and it is entirely possible that the Makedonian dialect was as difficult for other dialect speakers to comprehend as the speech of the Aitolian Eurytanes was unintelligible to Thoukydides (3-94.5).

* John Anthony Crame, A Geographical and Historical Description of Ancient Greece: With a Map, and a Plan of Athens, Page 165

Judging from their historical nomenclature, and the few words that have been preserved to us, we may evidently trace a Greek foundation in their language, whatever idiomatic differences might exist between it and the more cultivated dialects of southern Greece.

* Charles Gates, Ancient Cities” page 259

Philip II came to power in Macedonia in 359 BC. Althought speaking a dialect of Greek, the Macedonians lay on the fringes of Greek culture and had contributed little to Greek political, socio-economic and artistic

* L.S. Stavrianos, “The Balkans since 1453, Page 19

Their language closely resembled the classical Greek from which it differed no more than one English dialect from another

* John V.A. Fine(1983) ‘The Ancient Greeks: A Critical History’ Harvard University Press, pgs 605-608

The Macedonian language has not survived in any written text, but the names of individuals, places, gods, months, and the like suggest strongly that the language was a Greek dialect. Macedonian institutions, both secular and religious, had marked Hellenic characteristics and legends identify or link the people with the Dorians.

* F. Munzer, German linguist, “Die Politische Vernichtung des Griechentums”, Leipzig 1925, p. 4

The problem of the nationality of the Macedonians has been studied a great deal. Otto Hoffman with linguistics as his starting point solved it correctly and decisively when he accepted that the Macedonians were Greeks

*Kathryn A. Morgan,“Popular Tyranny”, page 9,

For this reason , the latest arrivals – northwest- Greek speakers, Macedonians – were able to establish a robust system of kingship indepeendent from central and southern Greek traditions of strong local leaders.

* Sylvain Auroux, French linguist, “History of the Language Sciences: I. Approaches to Gender II. Manifestations”, p.439

“Before the times of the national unity installed by the Macedonians around the middle of the 4th century BC, Greece was composed of many regions or city states[…] That they [Dorians] were related to the North-West Dialects (of Phocis, Locris, Aetolia, Acarnania and Epirus) was not perceived clearly by the ancients. “


* Otto Hoffmann, “Makedonians, their language and their Ethnicity“.

From the 39 “languages” that according to Gustav Mayer their form was “completely alien” has been proven after this research of mine,that 10 of them are clearly Hellenic,with 4 more possibly dialectical forms of common hellenic words,so from the entire collection are remaining only 15 words appearing to be justifiable or at least suspected of anti-hellenic origins.Adding to those 15, few others which with regards their vocals could be hellenic,without till now being confirmed as such,then their number, in comparison to the number of pure hellenic ones in the Makedonian language,is so small that the general Hellenic character of the Macedonian linguistic treasure can not be doubted.(..)THE NAMES OF THE GENUINE MAKEDONIANS AND THOSE BORN OF MAKEDONIAN PARENTS ,ESPECIALLY THE NAMES OF THE ELITIC CLASS AND NOBLES,IN THEIR FORMATION AND PHONOLOGY ARE PURELY HELLENIC.”(…)The general Hellenic character of the Makedonians linguistic treasure can not be disputed even in case some of them might be loans from the Hellenic Mythology or from non-hellenic myths or for the better pre-hellenic myths (Teytamos-Marsyas-Seilinos….*).

* J.R. Hamilton, “Alexander the Great”, London, 1973

That the Macedonians were of Greek stock seems certain. The claim
made by the Argead dynasty to be of Argive descent may be no more
than a generally accepted myth, but Macedonian proper names, such as
Ptolemaios or Philippos, are good Greek names, and the names of the
Macedonian months, although differed from those of Athens or Sparta,
were also Greek. The language spoken by the Macedonians, which
Greeks of the classical period found intelligible, appears to have been
a primitive north-west Greek dialect
, much influenced by the languages of the neighboring barbarians.”

* Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, The Outline of History, Glimpses of World History

The language they spoke was among the oldest forms of Greek, and it had affinities with the Aeolian, Arcado-Cypriot and Mycenean dialects.

* John Lynton Myres, “Who were the Greeks”, page 99

the northern dialects of Greek, including that of the Macedonians, who were coming in the fifth centurry to have a common fontier with the Thracians in the Strymon basin

* N. G. L. Hammond,”The Macedonian State: The Origins, Institution and History,” Calrendon Press, Oxford,
1989, pp. 413.pp. 12-14:”

4. The language of the Macedonians. What language did these ‘Macedones’ speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means ‘highlanders,’ and it is comparable to Greek tribal names such as ‘Orestai’ amd ‘Oreitai,’ meaning ‘mountain-men.’ A reputedly earlier variant, ‘Maketai,’ has the same root, which means ‘high,’
as in the Greek adjective ‘makednos’ or the noun mekos.’
The genealogy of eponymous ancestors which Hesiod recorded (p. 3 above) has a bearing on the question of Greek
speech. First, Hesiod made Macedon a brother of Magnes; as we know from inscriptions that the Magnetes spoke the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language, we have a predisposition to suppose that the Macedones spoke the Aeolic dialect.
Secondly, Hesiod made Macedon and Magnes first cousins of Hellen’s three sons — Dorus, Xouthus, and Aeolus — who
were the founders of three dialects of Greek speech, namely Doric, Ionic, and Aeolic. Hesiod would not have recored this relationship, unless he had believed, probably in the seventh century, that the Macedones were a Greek-speaking people. The next evidence comes from Persia. At the turn of the sixth century the Persians described the tribute-paying peoples of their province in Europe, and one of them was the ‘yauna takabara,’ which meant the ‘Greeks wearing the hat.’ [27] There were Greeks in Greek city-states here and there in the province, but they were of various origins
and not distinguished by a common hat, the ‘kausia.’
We conclude that the Persians believed the Macedonians to be speakers of Greek. Finally, in the latter part of the fifth
century a Greek historian, Hellanicus, visited Macedonia and modified Hesiod’s genealogy by bringing Macedon and his descendants firmly into the AeolicMacedonian branch of the Greek-speaking family.
[28] Hesiod, Persia, Hellanicus had no motive for making a false statement about the language of the Macedonians,
who were then an obscure and not a powerful people.
Their independent testimonies should be accepted as conclusive. That, however, is not the opinion of most scholars.
They disregard or fail to assess the evidence which I have cited, [29] and they turn instead to Macedonian words and names, or/and to literary references. Philologists have studied words which have been cited as Macedonian in ancient lexica and glossaries, and they have come to no certain conclusion; for some of the words are clearly Greek, and some are clearly not Greek. That is not surprising; for as the territory of the Macedonians expanded, they overlaid and lived with peoples who spoke Illyrian, Paeonian, Thracian and Phrygian, and they certainly borrowed words from them which excited the authors of lexica and glossaries. The philological studies result in a verdict, in my opinion, of ‘non liquet.’ [30] The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the most significant. Nearly all of them are Greek: Pieria, Lebaea, Heracleum, Dium, Petra, Leibethra, Aegae, Aegydium, Acesae, Acesamenae; the rivers Helicon, Aeson, Leucus, Baphyras, Sardon, Elpe’u’s, Mitys; lake Ascuris and the region Lapathus.
The mountain names Olympus and Titarium may be pre-Greek; Edessa, the earlier name for the place where Aegae was founded, and its river Ascordus were Phrygian. [31] The deities worshipped by the Macedones and the names
which they gave to the months were predominantly Greek, and there is no doubt that these were not borrowings.
To Greek literary writers before the Hellenistic period the Macedonians were ‘barbarians.’ The term referred to their way of life and their institutions, which were those of the ‘ethne’ and not of the city-state, and it did not refer to their speech. We can see this in the case of Epirus. There Thucydides called the tribes ‘barbarians.’ But inscriptions found in Epirus have shown conclusively that the Epirote tribes in Thucydides’ lifetime were speaking Greek
and used names which were Greek. [32] In the following century ‘barbarian’ was only one of the abusive
terms applied by Demosthenes to Philip of Macedon and his people.[33] In passages which refer to the Macedonian soldiers of Alexander the Great and the early successors there are mentions of a Macedonian dialect, such as was likely to have been spoken in the original Macedonianhomeland. On one occassion Alexander ‘called out to his guardsmen in Macedonian (‘Makedonisti’), as this [viz. the use of ‘Macedonian’] was a signal (‘symbolon’) that
there was a serious riot.’ Normally Alexander and his soldiers spoke standard Greek, the ‘koine,’ and that was what the Persians who were to fight alongside the Macedonians were taught. So the order ‘in Macedonian was unique, in that all other orders were in the ‘koine.’ [34] it is satisfactorily explained as an order in broad dialect, just as in the Highland Regiment a special order for a particular purpose could be given in broad Scots by a Scottish officer who usually spoke the King’s English.The use of this dialect among themselves was a characteristic of the Macedonian soldiers (rather that the officers) of the King’s Army. This point is made clear in the report — not in itself dependable — of the trial of
a Macedonianofficer before an Assembly of Macedonians, in which the officer (Philotas) was mocked for not speaking in dialect. [35] In 321 when a non- Macedonian general, Eumenes, wanted to make contact with a hostile group of Macedonian infantrymen, he sent a Macedonian to speak to them in the Macedonian dialect,
in order to win their confidence. Subsequently, when they and the other Macdonian soldiers were serving with Eumenes, they expresed their affection for him by hailing him in the Macedonian dialect (‘Makedonisti’). [36] He was to be one of themselves. As Curtius observed, ‘not a man among the Macedonians could bear to part with a jot of his ancestral customs.’ The use of this dialect was one way in which the Macedonians expressed their apartness from the
world of the Greek city-states. [27] See J. M. Balcer in ‘Historia’ 37 (1988) 7.[28] FGrH 4 F 74 [29] Most recently E. Badian in Barr-Sharrar 33-51 disregards the evidence as set out in e.g. HM 2.39-54, when it goes against his view that the Macedonians (whom he does not define) spoke a language other than Greek. [30] The matter is dicussed at some length in HM 2. 39-54 with reference especially to O. Hoffmann, ‘Die Makedonen, ihre Sprache und ihre volkstun’ (Goettingen, 1906) and J. Kalleris, Les Anciens Macedoniens I (Athens, 1954); see also Kalleris II and R. A. Crossland in the CAH 3.1.843ff. [31] For Edessa see HM 1.165 and for the Phrygians in Macedonia 407-14. Olympus occurs as a Phrygian personal name. [32] See Hammond, ‘Epirus’ 419ff. and 525ff.
[33] As Badian, loc. cit. 42, rightly observes: ‘this, of course, is simple abuse.'[34] Plu. ‘Alex.’51.6[35] Curtius 6.8.34-6.
[36] PSI XII 2(1951) no. 1284, Plu. Eun.14.11. Badian, loc. cit. 41 and 50 n.66, discusses the former and not the latter, which hardly bears out his theory that Eumenes ‘could not directly communicate with Macedoniansoldiers,’ and presumably they with him. Badian says in his note that he is not concerned with the argument as to whether Macedonian was a ‘dialect’ or ‘a language.’ Such an argument seems to me to be at the heart of the matter. We have a
similar problem in regard to Epirus, where some had thought the language of the people was Illyrian. In Plu.’Pyrrh.’1.3 reference was made to ‘the local ‘phone,” which to me means ‘dialect’ of Greek; it is so in this instance because Plutarch is saying that Achilles was called ‘in the local ‘phone’ Aspestos.’ The word ‘Aspestos’ elsewhere was peculiar to Greek epic, but it survived in Epirus in normal speech. It is of course a Greek and not an Illyrian word. See Hammond, ‘Epirus’ 525ff., for the Greek being the language of central Epirus in the fifth century B.C. “

* Malcolm Errington, “A History of Macedonia”, California University Press, 1990.

“The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most
easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia
but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their
monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia,
suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in
principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle
the Illyrian problem at its roots.”

* J.M. Roberts, “A Short History of the World”, Oxford University Press, New York, 1993

The Macedonians spoke Greek and attended Hellenic festivals; their kings claimed to be descented from Greek families- from Achilles, the great Achaean hero of the Iliad, no less.”

* NGL Hammond, “Philip of Macedon”, Gerald Duckword & Ltd, London, 1994

“As subjects of the king the Upper Macedonians were henceforth on the same footing as the original Macedonians, in that they could qualify for service in the King’s Forces and thereby obtain the elite citizenship. At one bound the territory, the population and wealth of the kingdom were doubled. Moreover since the great majority of the new subjects were speakers of the West Greek dialect, the enlarged army was Greek-speaking throughout.”

* David Sacks, “A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World.”, Oxford, 1995

Macedon was inhabited by various peoples of Dorian-Greek, Illyrian, and Thracian descent, who spoke a Greek dialect and worshipped Greek gods…Unification and modernization came gradually, at the hands of kings of Dorian descent.”

* Robert Morkot, “The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece”, Penguin Publ., 1996

Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks.”

* Hugh Murray,William Wallace,Robert Jameson, “The encyclopædia of geography: comprising a complete description of the …”

M. Malte-Brun distinguishes in the ancient Greek two different idioms: 1. The promitive Hellenic, which he subdivides into three principal dialects, the Arcadian, the Thessalian, with the ancient Macedonian, and the (Enotrian, transported into Italy and mingled with the Latin); 2. the Hellenic of the historical times, divided into four principal dialects and several varieties.

*Alan Fildes, Joann Fletcher, ” Alexander the Great: son of the gods”


Located in the northern extremity of Greece, and cut off from its neighbors by its mountainous terrain, ancient Macedonia’s relative isolation produced a distinctly separate culture. Although the Macedonians spoke a Greek dialect, worshipped Greek gods,


*Herbert Treadwell Wade, The New international encyclopaedia, vol 14

Basmatzides, Fick, Demitsa, ed. Meyer, Hatzidakis, Kretscmer, Beloch and apparentlyBrgmann and Koersh have mainteained that Macedonian is only a Greek dialect.

* Lucilla Burn, “Hellenistic art: from Alexander the Great to Augustus”, p. 28

The language spoken by ordinary Macedonians, as opposed to the ruling family, seems at most times to have been a dialect form of Greek. The elite communicaed both with itself and with other elites in standard, probably Attic Greek.


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D-Mak says:


When your sole “contribution” here so far is:

-- Creating fake profiles once to pretend someone from FYROM, the other time to pretend a “Turk Man” who allegedly agrees with the comment of his other fake profile (How pitiful!!)

-- promoting plainly silly, self-contradictory “arguments” based on Ignorance (the English Analogy must be the stupidest thing i ‘ve ever read) and a complete lack of Logic.

-- PARROTING gibberish from your neo-nazi propaganda sites without even being able to write a single line regarding ancient history on your own. Whole Paragraphs are copy/pasted from propaganda sites, because its obvious you have absolutely no clue about history. Thats because you have been indoctrinated since birth only to PARROT and never have any signs of critical thinking.

…its is clearly that the crap you claimed, makes sense only as your self-criticism!! You are insulting everybody’s intelligence with all these pitiful actions plus the permanent denial of evidence, exactly like the rest of your brainwashed compatriots!!!

Furthemore, since you enjoy publishing gibberish, you claim:

1. “Firstly, you neglect to name your sources.”

How could anyone takes you seriously, when the Blog’s ARTICLE that obviously you comment WITHOUT even reading it, includes the sources!!!! Do you even read on what you comment?

2. “Secondly, the word ‘dialect’ does not indicate they were greek.”

Another sample that thinking is a totally unfamiliar territory for you. When the historians/linguists claim “Ancient Macedonian was an ancient Greek dialect” certainly indicate that Macedonian was a dialect of Greek language. Are you taking drugs or sth or posting nonsense comes naturally to you?

3. “it is the ancient scholars where you will get definitive answers from. It is they that clearly indentify Macedonians as a seperate race.”

First you request from others to bring sources, even if they already exist right in front of your eyes, and then you make a totally stupid claim without bringing any valid sources at all. Go figure!!!

Btw the gibberish you PARROTED from your Neo-Nazi sites are totally USELESS since

(a) NOTHING is shown of what they exactly said and where they wrote it.

(b) The sources are OUTDATED. The 19th century scholars and those of early 20th c. obviously didnt have the wealth of information from archaeology and literary sources that we have today. In the 19th century scholars also believed Croatians were descedants of Illyrians.

Next time if you want to bring a source, publish it FULLY!! Not just throw a name!!!

About the gibberish with Persian Names again your PARROTED from somewhere else, since yourself cannot write anything about history on your own….

Your gibberish does NOT make sense since…

-- the vast majority of Persian names had NO etymology and meant NOTHING in Greek. On the other hand the vast majority ancient Macedonian names have full Greek etymologies.

-- the vast majority of Persian names are completely alien to the Greeks. On the other hand the vast majority of the ancient Macedonian names are COMMON with the rest of the Greeks, therefore you will find MANY Greeks called Alexander even before the establishment of the Macedonian kingdom but you will find NONE called Darious.

-- No serious scholar claims that Persian names are Greek/related to Greek. On the other hand the vast majority of modern scholars accept that ancient Macedonian names are Greek.

In essence your argument itself proves that ancient Macedonians were Greeks.

“Also… They Macedonians were NOT identified as Greeks. Even greeks themselves IDENTIFIED MACEDONIANS AS BARBARIANS!”

Cure your endless Ignorance by reading what the ancient sources say:

Since you obviously know noathing about the term “Barbarian”…educate yourself here:

The term “Barbarian” was also used as ancient evidence testifies ALSO for Greek tribes in a cultural sense.


If you plan to continue your seminars in ancient Macedonian history which you knew nothing of till now, be my guest.

But stop wasting our time with utterly stupid “arguments” , copy/pasting crap from sites and fake profiles!!!

Tina84 says:

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Mondash says:

Dear D-Mak,

Clearly it is you that is a child. Your imagination is rife. You are making a mockery of yourself!

You must think you’re some kind of greek God to attack the way you have. It is haters like yourself that spread hatred and violence.

Regarding your comment, I can THINK thank you very much! I THINK that you need to get your facts right before throwing your misinformed views around.


1.YOU SAY “The vast Majority of modern scholars accepts that Ancient Macedonian is actually an ancient Greek dialect.”
-- Firstly, you neglect to name your sources.
-- Secondly, the word ‘dialect’ does not indicate they were greek.
-- Thirdly, it is the ancient scholars where you will get definitive answers from. It is they that clearly indentify Macedonians as a seperate race.

2. YOU SAY “Ancient Macedonians had Greek names themselves, named their cities with Greek names, spoke Greek, spread Greek language and Culture everywhere they passed, identified themselves as Greeks and were Identified by others as Greeks.”
-- Many historical sources are written in Greek, and it was a common practice among Greek historians to hellenize foreign names. For example, the name of the powerful first king of the Persian empire, Kuruš, ought to be transcribed as Kourous or Kouroux in Greek, but became Kyros, because this looks like a Greek word.
-- I am not contesting that Ancient Macedonians did not speak greek. I’m simply saying that greek was a dominant language.
-- Also… They Macedonians were NOT identified as Greeks. Even greeks themselves IDENTIFIED MACEDONIANS AS BARBARIANS! Here’s something out of the dictionary for you… The term originates in the Greek civilization, meaning “anyone who is not Greek” Did you notice the word NOT?

I will not correct your comment further. Clearly, you are in denial!

In my first comment before yours, I did not berate anyone with childish name calling because they voiced their opinion.

In all forums on this topic, it’s evident that you modern Greeks have a habit of name calling when you’re told that someone does not want to be like you.
READ YOUR COMMENT after mine. It’s full of CHILDISH insults… and you called me a CHILD!!

Is it no wonder that Macedonians don’t want to be anything like you?

Also, I suggest you reference your sources when posting.

Heres and example to help you;

From Europe, the Greek cities AND the Macedonians also sent embassies, as well as the Illyrians and most of those who dwell about the Adriatic Sea, the Thracian peoples and even those of their neighbors the Gauls, whose people became known then first in the Greek world. 17.113.2.
Thanks to Diodorus Siculus


D-Mak says:


Your arguments are entirely childish and totally indicative of the fact that you people cannot actually THINK. You exist to parrot whatever gibberish you will find in your ultra-nationalistic propaganda sites.

Regarding your comment:

-- The vast Majority of modern scholars accepts that Ancient Macedonian is actually an ancient Greek dialect. You may not like it but deal with it.

-- You claim “People here are posting in English, how many are in fact English?”.

What kind of childish argument is that? We are talking about the Classic World.

Ancient Macedonians had Greek names themselves, named their cities with Greek names, spoke Greek, spread Greek language and Culture everywhere they passed, identified themselves as Greeks and were Identified by others as Greeks.

Do we also have English Names? do we name our cities with English Names? Do we speak only English? In case of a military conquest will we spread English Language and Culture or our own? Do we identify ourselves and are being identified by others as English???

Do you have any Common Sense at all??

-- Then you promote another ridiculous argument: “Macedonians may have learnt to speak Greek because they were intelligent enough to realise that learning that language would progress them as people”

Really??? Then why didnt Illyrians learnt to speak Greek during classical ages? Why didnt Thracians learnt to speak Greek if according to your paralel universe it would progress them as people?? Why didnt Carthgenians learnt to speak Greek? Why didnt Egyptians, Why didnt Jews learnt to speak Greek?

I will tell you why… First and foremost Greek wasnt even the linqua franca of the classic world but the Lingua Franca was Aramaic. Only Greeks spoke Greek PRIOR to Alexander’s conquest. Since Macedonians were Greeks themselves, they spoke Greek too. The Greek Language became the Lingua Franca solely because Macedonians spread it everywhere!!!!!

-- Aside of the fact that your own arguments are plainly childish, they actually prove the opposite of your claim. Ancient Macedonians were Greeks.

-- The mixture of Bulgarian and Serbian you speak of course has NOTHING to do with the Ancient Macedonian speech which was Greek. A modern Russian cannot understand anything from your bastardised Eastern Bulgarian dialect.

-- Since your historical knowledge is so pitiful that you have to Parrot always texts from your Propaganda sites. The event does not speak about Macedonian as a language and it becomes even clearer that Macedonian is a Greek dialect. Philotas explicitely states that using the Koine would make his speech “easier to understand”, indicating that the Macedonian dialect was not incomprehensible to the non-Macedonians, but a bit more difficult to understand.

In fact, the whole incident shows the Macedonian dialect was not that different from the Koine and could be understood eventhough it had some difficulty by other Greeks. This also explains the quick disappearance of the Macedonian dialect and the quick adoption of the Koine from Macedonians.

-- Lastly you throw another petty claim: “Macedonians, Persians, Egyptians and Jews once communicated in Greek”

Your own argument backfires at you. Did Persians, Egyptians and Jews spoke Greek during Classical era? absolutely NO!!! They communicated in their own languages and in Aramaic!!!

Some of them started to learn Greeks only AFTER Alexander’s conquests!!! Thank you for proving once more the opposite of your initial claim !!!!

I havent ever found one of you to make an argument making the slightest sense, let alone knowing anything about ancient history! How could one take you seriously if you cant even use your brains!!!

mondash says:

Many scholars have concluded that the ancient Macedonian language was NOT a Greek dialect and that it was more or less related to the languages of Macedonia’s northern neighbors, the Illyrians and the Thracians. These scholars include Muller and Mayer, writing in the nineteenth century, and Thumb, Thumb-Kieckers, Vasmer, Kacarov, Beshevljev, Budimir, Pisani, Russu, Baric, Poghirc, Chantraine, Katicic, and Nerosnak, writing in the twentieth.

People here are posting in English, how many are in fact English? Would it be fair for me to to say that you’re Arabic? Your next door neighbour is Arabic and you borrow sugar from them. You interact with them everyday… This must mean you’re Arabic.

Ancient Macedonians used the Greek language just as we use English.

Macedonians may have learnt to speak Greek because they were intelligent enough to realise that learning that language would progress them as people and help with trade and political purposes with their Greek neighbours who were further advanced and civilised.

Scholars aside, It’s blatantly obvious to anyone that is not deaf that the Macedonian language is closer to Russian, Polish, Serbian, Croation, Bulgarian and Slovanian than it is to Greek. The Greek language to a Macedonian and anyone else for that matter is in fact, well… ‘Greek’

Alexander, spoke to his army in both Greek and Macedonian. To the Macedonians he spoke in his own tongue, to the Greeks and Asians, he spoke in Greek. During the trial of Philotas, Alexander specifically calls Macedonian “our native language” Ref. Q. Curtius Rufus. Author and Historian.

Macedonians, Persians, Egyptians and Jews once communicated in Greek, that does not mean they turned into Greeks or were Greeks, just like the African nations did not turn into French and English because of their usage of those two languages to communicate amongst themselves.

Krap says:

What about Eugen Borza?

dodoni says:

Hello Krap.

Actually Eugene Borza nowhere claims that Macedonians was a Slavic tribe or were speaking a Slavic dialect. After all, everyone with basic knowledge on History knows that Slavs came in the Balcans in the 6th century after Christ. So, how could it be possible for them to speak a language at least a millenium before????

And from your comment I understand that you haven’t read Pr.Borza’s books but you lean on the comments of the nationalistic FYROM’s sites. Please, be informed from better sources if you wish a serious dialogue.

Thank you.

Istor the Macedonian says:

Macedonians derived new Greek words by composing other Greeks words according to Greek grammar rules: Thessaloniki, ephemeris, paremvoli, aornos, Orthopolis, Parorbelia, Amfaxitis, Voukefalas, …. Macedonians spoke (and speak ) Greek.

Is there any scientist who believes that Macedonian was a not Greek Language and which are his arguments?

Is there any scientist who believes that Macedonian was a Slavic Language and which are his arguments?

M says:

The ancient macedonian language is written on the curse tablete of Pella (katadesmos). In 4th century BC a woman writes a curse to stop the man she loves from marrying another woman. This text is written in greek. Not attic greek but in doric idiom of Northern Greece.