macedonia for macedonians alexsander is king of macedonian not greece

The situation is clear my friends:
The Slavs came into the area of Macedonia in the 6th century A.C. Nearly a thousand years after Alexander the Great formed his Empire. And the citizens of FYRO”Macedonia” are undoubtedly Slavs, and Slavs very proud of their Slavic calture and history. They speak a Slavic language, have Slavic physical characteristics, and Slavic traditions. HOW CAN THEN THE PEOPLE OF FYRO”MACEDONIA” BE RELATED WITH THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WHO LEAVED A MILLENIA BEFORE THE ARRIVALL OF THE SLAVS?

Ancient Macedonia has undoubtedly a Greek character. All the Macedonians soldiers that have been found were buried with the Ancient Greek rituals related with the belief of the 12 Greek gods. All of the graves that have been found, from Pella to India, have names that are Greek. Even the vary name of “Macedon” is formed by two ancient Greek words. Every 10year old Greek child can literally read any text written by Alexander or Aristotle.

So, you, citizens of FYROMacedonia, you can call your selves however you like. I am ok with that. I understand that you need to create a national identity after the collapse of the Multination of Yugoslavia and the formation of your country. But please don’t claim history don’t own and don’t alter the facts. You can be the New Macedonians if you want but the history of Ancient Macedonia is Greek.

if Alexandar was greek why he was fithing against greeks.He was fithing against them and now you say that he is from greece . ALEXANDAR IS NOT ,WAS NOT AND WON ‘T BE GREEK

Where did you find that Alexander the Great “was fighting against greeks”? I would like to know your historical source, because and all the reasoned world has historical proofs for the contrary: Alexander was greek and he loved his brothers from the other city-states, but in his time the greek cities were often in war each other: haowever, he didn’t destroy Athens, while he could, because his dream was to unite all the greeks. He was speaking and thinking greek. And don’t declare that ancient macedonians spoke greek because was “trendy” in their time, because their customs were greek too, and customs(burial and religious customs) are not results of fashion. And last but not least, macedonians were being accepted to the Olympic Games, an honour that was awarded only to the approved greeks.
Greece has proofs that Alexander the Great was greek: were’s yours?
Stop stealing other nation’s history and get your own!

How can any mankind belive that Alexander the Great wasn’t Greek???
Why your names have nothing to do with the ancient Macedonian names ?
Why Alexander,Philip,Olympia,Macedonia etc are Greek names?
Why in all over the world all the monuments discovered in Pakistan, India, Kuweit are written in Greek?
Why Macedonians worshiped the 12 Greek Gods of Mount Olympos?
Why before 1944 your language was Bulgarian?
Why before 1944 your name wasn’t Macedonia but Vardarska
Why every year you add a hero from another country? (In 20 years you will have the 30% of world history)
And something Last:

Daniel 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

Δανιήλ 8:21 ὁ τράγος τῶν αἰγῶν βασιλεὺς Ἑλλήνων• καὶ τὸ κέρας τὸ μέγα, ὃ ἦν ἀναμέσον τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν αὐτοῦ, αὐτός ἐστιν ὁ βασιλεὺς ὁ πρῶτος.

Daniel 10:20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

Δανιήλ 10:20 καὶ εἶπεν• εἰ οἶδας, ἱνατί ἦλθον πρός σε; καὶ νῦν ἐπιστρέψω τοῦ πολεμῆσαι μετὰ τοῦ ἄρχοντος Περσῶν• καὶ ἐγὼ ἐξεπορευόμην, καὶ ὁ ἄρχων τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἤρχετο

Daniel 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

Δανιήλ 11:2 καὶ νῦν ἀλήθειαν ἀναγγελῶ σοι• ἰδοὺ ἔτι τρεῖς βασιλεῖς ἀναστήσονται ἐν τῇ Περσίδι, καὶ ὁ τέταρτος πλουτήσει πλοῦτον μέγαν παρὰ πάντας• καὶ μετὰ τὸ κρατῆσαι αὐτὸν τοῦ πλούτου αὐτοῦ ἐπαναστήσεται πάσαις βασιλείαις Ἑλλήνων.

Go to another country and read about Alexander the Great you will see that you are victims of a dirty Jewish propaganda

Who cares what the paid leader of anti-macedonian party said?? None except the SlavoTatars of FYROM. The rest of the world knows that Alexander viewed himself as Greek.

do you know my “dear” greeks about the DNK analysis who were taken from ancient macedonians and from all balkan people nowdays made by internacional scientists and academics in france. the result is: tam taram… the samples were compared and the DNK from today macedonian people correspond with the DNK taken from ancient macedonians more then you history stealers or any balkan people. also ALEXANDER III MACEDONIAN was blond haired and you have dark skin and black hair, who knows maybe you are north egyptians or gypsys

Also, I would like to see the reference to this study of DNA you are mentioning(I mean the scientific journal in which was published), because, as I am familiar with the scientific way of thinking, I want to see the characteristics of the study and the results with my own eyes. Otherwise, I am afraid that you are talking about another piece of propafanda.
As for who is the stealer of history, read a history book, from whatever country you want(apart from Greece and Skopjia, of course) and you will find out who steals from who. My “friend”.

uuuuu you are bad ass. im so scared, especially from your ancient gay army who was fighting in pairs when they not make love each other who was defeated, killed to last one because they fight to death for they gay partner, and conquered by macedonians in Chaeronea and in symbol of that they build proud-standing lion (macedonian symbol) like the sun from Kuklis to testify and warn the boylovers who love balls оn balls like mikonos today, do not mess with them (us)

A bre TataroMongol fyromian moron. Learn some history bre Idiotov before you come here to humiliate yourself.

The standing lion symbol was Greek bre Malaka BulgaroTatar. Your dumbass couldnt ever guess that Myceneans Greeks used this symbol or Greeks used it to honour their dead heroes. After Leonidas was killed in Thermopylae, a standing Lion was constructed there to remind people of him and his Spartans. A bre Malaka Tatar!! Always a dumb Mongoloid!!!

So our little TataroMongol is homobigot. Sadly for your miserable low-life, Alexander, Philip and Macedonians were also bisexuals. Philip was murdered by his lover. But bisexuality was common in ancient times. Now go back and curl into your cave Idiotov. You proved to be another brainwashed Gypsy TataroMongol with No Clue about history!! Pffff fuckin TataroMongoloids!!

Ups somebody is on fire. O yea I forgot that you are coming from HELL ASS, and now you start virtual kissing each other just like yuor ancestors. It’s OK I don’t mind more girls for us, the real mans. I understand you for your panic, some big questions are opening now and the truth is coming on surface, and you should be nervous because you have guilty conscience and bloody hands don’t forget that, maybe I will act a same if I have done so many sins like you

I see that you insist on avoiding answering questions, el padron, ok - besides, this is the policy of your government as well: you prefer to offense the history of a nation who has offered to the humanity so much that you can’t imagine, or you can? Because that history you are offending, you are trying to steal.
As for “our sins”, I must remind you that the only “sin” that some people blaime Greece is the wars of Alexander the Great(remember that your friend Nemetz called him a “butcer”? You don’t even speak to defend your (you wish) ancestor, only us protested).
As for kissing each other(I think your mind is all the time in this, you must see a psychologist), I prefer it than hating each other as you do in your country(Albanians with Slavs(you)).

Hahaha… hihihi… gay links?!?!?! Is that best you got. Hmmm… let see… something is wrong here. Ooo yea the gay link. Sorry, bitch, is too much for me, I can’t help you. I’m not interested about your FREE HELL ASS and I don’t know and use gay links like you. I like girls and I will stick to them. But I don’t judge and blame you. It’s not your fault. Your ancients were gays too and it’s completly natural and normal for you to be like them. Bravo… that’s for pride, sucker. However you are not a challenge for me any more, and I don’t need to prove you anything. I know who I’m and I know who you are, cowards and killers of a innocent people. I can keep like this all day, but I don’t wanna waste my keyboard buttons on you, HELL ASS RACIST FREAK, BITCH… so FUCK OFF

Ask your albanians about human rights. Only yesterday you threatened some of your own kind to kill them if they dare to speak again the word “compromise”:this is your alleged respect for human rights and your famous democracy? Or the freedom of speech and expressing your opinion is not a human right according to you?
Why should you answer? You know you can’t give a serious answer and that is the reason why you use abuses:but you always do that:insulting people, brainwashing, claiming areas that belong to other nations.. It’s obvious that you don’t have real arguments.
Greece is the only country not advertising territorial demands on other countries, start following this example, because the friendship of USA is very fragile and unsteady(see Afganistan).
As for Hellas(not Hellass), what about naming your country something that it’s true? American State of Skopjia( ASS)?

I was not talking only about democracy:your historical knowledge reach only as far? I was speaking about Olympic Games, theatre, poetry, history, medicin, mathematics etc.
Anyway, speaking about Hitler, you should know that when Hitler invaded Balkans your nation obediently opened the door and let him pass, while Greece fought(as all the world knows) bravely: perhaps, you have changed that part of your history too?
Also, you didn’t answer why you don’t protested when Nimetz called Alexander “butcher”: you didn’t care, or you didn’t dare?

To everyone, who believes that Alexander was not Greek : just watch this video :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLrDpZaqls&watch_response. Read some foreign history books my dear Skopians. It’s not propaganda, it’ s the truth.

About what the orator Demosthenes said, Yes he called the Macedonians barbarians, because that was the ultimate insult for the Greeks. He also called Phillip gay. He did that because he was a political rival to Macedonia and wanted to spread his propaganda to his audience. Macedonian political system (monarchy) was not only Greek, but primitive Greek as the famous historian Ulrich Wilken said. The problem with you guys is that your sources are political and not historical. If you read history from it’s prototype like it is being done in universities around the world for classical studies you would know that:

Callisthenes of Olynthus 2.4.7-8; Oration of Demosthenes>
“No king of the Hellenes had ever conquered Egypt with the exception only of Alexander, and that he did without war

(Plutarch, The Life of Alexander)
“It is agreed on by all hands, that on the father’s side, Alexander descended from Hercules by Caranus, and from Aeacus by Neoptolemus on the mother’s side”

“..there were representatives from Aitoloi,Acarnanes, Macedonians,people homoglossoi(speaking the same language)..” Tito Livius XXXI 29,15

“..And she (Pandora daughter of Deukalion) conceived and bore to Zeus,who delights in the thunderbolt, two sons, Magnes and Macedon, rejoicing in horses,who dwell round about Pieria and Olympus.. “Hesiodos, HOIAI A,2

Alexander to Persians:
“Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm though we had done them no prior injury;… I have been appointed hegemon of Greeks…”
Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II, 14, 4 (Loeb P.A. Brunt)

“And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece.”
(Strabo. VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])

As you can see I used no Greek modern historian in case you say I’m spreading propaganda.
Please present me a compelling and solid argument and not childish sayings like dream on Greeks e.t.c

What is more I would very much like to see that ’scientific’ DNA research, because as far as I know (my cousin is a professor in Molecular Biology and Genetics) such a research would take at least a decade to be completed and a couple of million Euros too. As far as I am concerned no such research has ever been done due the lack of funding. What is more, since you came in the region at 6th century AD and you are Slavs, you should not be very enthusiastic about such a research because you would be considered to be irrelevant.
Moreover, there are Greeks with blond hair (like me) and there is nowhere written that ‘Macedonians’ were all blond. Alexander’s best friend for instance had dark hair. As did his mother and father.

Last but not least, the land of Ancient Macedonia, lies by 90% percent in Greek territory, the remaining 5% is divided between Albania, FYROM, and Bulgaria. Macedonia as a name only was given in the whole region during the times of the Byzantine Empire as a ‘thema’ and also during the Ottoman occupation of the area. Therefore even if you dwell within the lands of Macedonia, you have no right to claim the Ancient Macedonian heritage because you only have 1% of the ancient territorial lands.

Please there is no need to be hatred. I am simply defending my history. And you defend what you have been taught for half a century now. But unfortunately it is false. I don’t think that your history books go in such detail. I’m sorry if this makes you sad but that’s how things are. So please do not claim our history, you can always achieve things and make your own history. I understand your need for cultural and ethnic identity, but that does not justify theft I’m afraid.

Of course Greece was not existent as a nation at the time of Philip. Because t was Philip that made it a nation. He unified the city-states into a nation. That’s is why Macedonians were Greeks. Because if they were not we would say that he enslaved them instead of unifying. Since you say you studied history you should be able to discern these delicate colorings. A dialect does not mean that they spoke a different language you know. Athenians had their dialect, Aiolians too, and so on and so forth.

”One of the subordinate forms or varieties of a language arising from local peculiarities of vocabulary, pronunciation, and idiom. (In relation to modern languages usually spec. A variety of speech differing from the standard or literary ‘language’; a provincial method of speech, as in ‘speakers of dialect’.) Also in a wider sense applied to a particular language in its relation to the family of languages to which it belongs” Oxford English Dictionary

In Durham they have a different dialect than the people in London. In Manchester and Glasgow and Cardiff too.

Τhe Macedonian tribe derives from the proto-Greek tribe the Pelasgian. Which means that they were of the same tribe.

One more thing, historians cannot say if Macedonians were of a larger stature. (In case you claim that they were taller than the rest of the Greeks)That is something biologists do. Also any skeleton found so far was of the common Greek stature and not over 2 meters long. What is more a claim like that would require a research that would take over a decade. By the way, Phillip and Alexander were short too. So this argument is already out of the question and utterly unscientific. Also for your consideration Greeks are not dwarves. We have short people, medium people, tall people, and very tall people. Like every other place in the world.

If you still have doubts I think that my first post issues a very clarifying argument and not simply an opinion like yours. Or if this is not your opinion but a is based on ”historical facts” please present me with them so that I can be illuminated as well.

Before you even ATTEMPT to explain the history of a foreign nation I beg you to read, study and compare credible academic sources. Please don’t tell me you have, because we would both know you are lying. Otherwise, since a true historian does not pick and choose what he feels fits and leaves the rest out; you may know history but simply feel you must continue to spread propaganda and misinform people.

“The so-called “Macedonian” language is a very recent creation. This language was completely unknown until 1944 and no matter how hard one may try will find nothing to prove its existence. It is just an idiom within the self-contained Bulgarian language. The fact that there is not even one text, not one inscription, in this language before 1944 proves without doubt that this language has nothing to do with the ancient Macedonians and their descendants who always spoke Greek. The language used by the Bulgarian-speaking inhabitants of the Southern Yugoslavia and southwestern Bulgaria is a Bulgarian language.”

In order to legitimize your reasoning for doing this you try and disprove the purity of Greeks???? This sounds like Nazi-Aryan racism!! To talk about a perfect genetic and biological continuity over 2,000 years is nonsense. DNA testing?? Give me a break, although I could make a very well informed argument showing a strong biological continuity of the Diaspora Greeks that came from places such as Asia Minor or the Pontians from Russia and many others which helped to liberate the nation. An example is the societies that were formed many decades before Greece became a nation by people and communities that considered themselves Greek from the ancient times. However, the cultural connection of the Greeks of today to the people who built Parthenon is another matter. The solid connection is found in their civilization, and their basic character (argumentative, proud, articulate, fearless, very much political, individualistic, daring and quick on their feet), their spirit, their love of freedom, their adherence to principles and ideals, their love of education and family and the legendary endurance of Greek culture, among Greek immigrants overseas.

Finally, you believe that “Greek Governments have isolated Macedonians and robbed them of their rights and privileges as Greek citizens.” Let me ask you something, how much better off is the Greek minority in FYROM?? Greeks in FYROM do not declare their ethnicity. The following has been taken from a website created by a university educated Serb, Vasil Gligorov, living in the FYROM who is making a historical database but does not necessarily represent the actual voice of the Greeks. I found it interesting to say the least..

“There are no Greek NGO (or “Civil Societies” according to the law in FYROM) as of today. I.e. there is no organization which declares elevation of Hellenism, based on mainstream Greek ethnic qualities andn greater centralization of effort of Greek individuals scattered all over FYROM in a name of distinct, Greek political cause. Unfortunately, powerful resentment and Hellenophobia are against this, although I blame certain indolence on the Greeks in FYROM themselves,since much of the minor and more “exotic” communities which number perhaps no more than several hundreds (Slovenians, Croats, Russians etc.) have in some cases few organizations. I know Greeks both of Hellenic and Vlach language and when I asked them about this problem, most common answer is the “impossibility to keep an organization in such an overwhelmingly hostile environment”.

”Demetrius Manolakos, B.A., LL.B. *
The First Balkan War in 1912 saw the four countries of Greece, Serbia, Montenegro, and Bulgaria allied against their long-time oppressor, the Ottoman Empire. The lands liberated from the Ottomans included the region of Macedonia in Greece and some smaller parts to the north in what is Bulgaria and Serbia. A short, brutal Second Balkan War that was fought in 1913, with Greece and Serbia teaming up against the uncooperative Bulgaria, finalized the borders between the three neighbours. Serbia�s small share of the area and the predominantly Bulgarian-speaking surrounding area, became the Serbian province of Vardarska. It remained part of Serbia, and then of the Yugoslavian federation, under the name Vardarska until August 1944.

On the 4th of August 1944, right after the departure of Germans from Vardarska, Tito and Stalin took Vardarska and the Albanian-speaking region of Tetovo and created the Socialist Republic of Macedonia. In addition, they declared that the inhabitants of this new Yugoslav Republic were “Macedonians”, thus forging history in a vulgar way. It is the first appearance of the name “Macedonia” in modern times as a nation rather than an administrative division of Greece. Along with this forgery of modern history, the communist leader of Bulgaria, Dimitrof, had to agree to suppress Bulgaria�s claim on Vardarska. Furthermore, under Stalin�s probing, Tito and Dimitrof began drawing plans to unite Bulgaria and Yugoslavia in a Balkan Federation. They also let it be known that when Greek Macedonia would be “liberated” from the Greeks there would be a third member of the Federation, Greek Macedonia.

Therefore, it is clear that the creation of “Macedonia” as a new national entity was a way for the northern/communist neighbours of Greece to put a claim on Greek Macedonia, and to gain access to the Aegean Sea. To advance their goal of splitting Greek Macedonia away from Greece, they offered multifaceted support to the communist side during the Greek Civil War of 1946-49. The Greek communists were defeated but Tito and the Vardarskans did not abandon their illicit designs against Greek Macedonia. Following the fall of communism in the 90�s, the Yugoslav Province known as the Socialist Republic of Macedonia declared independence and took the name “Republic of Macedonia”. Greece and the international community objected very strongly to this name, and the United Nations brokered the adoption of the provisional name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).

The Government of FYROM still claims to represent “Macedonians”, descendants of the ancient Macedonians, speaking “Macedonian”, but their first President Ghligorov, in his book �Memoirs� admits that they are Bulgarians who came to the Balkans in the 6th and 7th century A.D. This is about 1000 years after Alexander the Great� s death, the Greek hero who spread the Hellenic culture to the then known world, and who belonged to the same Greek tribe as the Spartans, the Dorians. It is also, centuries after Saint Paul the Apostle visited Greek cities in Macedonia, spoke Greek and wrote his New Testament Letters to the people of Thessaloniki and Philippoi in the Greek language. Saint Paul also clearly refers to � Greek � men and women that he met in Thessaloniki and Verria and who were baptized into Christianity. This reference alone reveals how the people and government of FYROM, primarily of Bulgarian-descent, are attempting to revise history by claiming to be Macedonians and descendants of Alexander the Great, and by claiming that there were no Greeks in ancient Macedonia!

The so-called “Macedonian” language is a very recent creation. This language was completely unknown until 1944 and no matter how hard one may try will find nothing to prove its existence. It is just an idiom within the self-contained Bulgarian language. The fact that there is not even one text, not one inscription, in this language before 1944 proves without doubt that this language has nothing to do with the ancient Macedonians and their descendants who always spoke Greek. The language used by the Bulgarian-speaking inhabitants of the Southern Yugoslavia and southwestern Bulgaria is a Bulgarian language.

After the foundation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia in 1944, Tito employed an army of philologists and scholars to create a separate written language. Taking a Bulgarian dialect spoken in Vardarska as starting point and enhancing it widely from Greek, Serbian, and other neighboring languages, a “literary language”, the so-called “Macedonian” language was created”.

Macedonia was also a member of the Delphic Amfictiony, an institution which was open only to Greeks.

ELLAS MAKEDONIA FOR EVER SKOPS LISTEN CLEARLY BULGARO ALBANY

Very good saying, Dimitris! May all get reasoned!

AND IF U DONT KNOW GOOD ENGLISH LOOK THAT :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCGOrZYBDI4

Dear Iko you simply can’t get can you. Ancient Macedon is part of ancient Greece as ancient Athens, Sparta and so on are. Macedonia (the greek province) is part of modern Greece There is no historic distinction or proof to the contrary. Macedonians (meaning northern Greeks) do not have any conflict of identity. They are Greeks and are proud of their heritage. You ex-Yukoslavs where and always will be Slavs by you own admitance. Thus since Slavs have nothing to do with ancient Greece can you explain to me how can you have anything in common with ancient Macedon. And since Macedonians (Greeks) feel they are Greeks because they are related to ancient Macedonians how can they ever consider have something in common with Slavs who don’t even speak Greek, have nothing in common with ancient Greece and thus have nothing in common with Macedonian heritage. You are building up your self determination on a false premise and a historic contradiction. I am a Macedonian and I am proud of my GREEK heritage. I feel no different from any other greek. But I feel offended by your claims to my heritage.

Your slav grandparents adopted the name of Macedon in the 40s due to communist propaganda. The only reason for that was the communist expansionist plans. I wish you were able to listen to your language as I do and realise how foreign to it the name Macedon sounds when you pronounce it. What does Macedon mean in your language. What is its etimology. You of course don’t know that it is and ancient Greek word Makednoi which is the root of this name. Do you know what it means? And by the way. Greece, Greek and all related words are not what we call ourselves but what the rest of the world calls us. We are Hellines, our country is Hellas. This comes from the term Helli which is what all ancient Hellines including Macedonians called themselves.

My language is not Macedonian it is Hellinic because there never was any Macedonian language but a Macedonian dialect. Your language is not Macedonian but Bulgarian because by any scientific liguistic analysis its is a Bulgarian dialect. Now I don’t want to go on and get in your propaganda game. There is no single evidense that the Bulgarian language was used or existed in the region when Alexander lived. And even if he was speaking Bulgarian as you do why was he so ashamed of his Bulgarian heritage that all artifacts in the lands of ancient Macedonian kingdom and the lands in Asia and Africa that kingdom annexed where in Hellinic language. If you cannot base your so called Macedonian heritage in logic and scientific historic truth then what can you base on. Communist propaganda? Do you think that because you live in the historic area of Macedonia you can monopolise our name and undermine our heritage.

You are employing practises of fasist regims of the 40’s. You have a real problem as a people. You have an identity crisis. You don’t want to be called Bulgarians even though your language and culture is clearly Bulgarian. You want to be called Macedonians even though your language is not Greek (Hellinic). You base your argument on unsupported beliefs that Tito’s propaganda invented. You destroy Hellinic artifacts such as Byzantine paintings by changing the hellinic inscriptions. You present Roman statues of the 2nd century as ancient Macedonian. Your regime terrorises those in your country that are willing to look at the truth. You rediculous DNA studies remind us of Nazi ideology of ethnic purity.

WE ARE MACEDONIANS YOU ARE NOT. WE WILL NEVER FEEL RELATED TO YOU. WE WILL NEVER REVOLT AND JOIN YOU. WE WILL THOUGH DEFEND OUR LAND AND HERITAGE FROM YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS. AND SINCE YOU ARE NOT MACEDONIANS AND OCCUPY MACEDONIAN LANDS WE MACEDONIANS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CLAIM ALEXANDERS LAND THAT YOU OCCUPY. WE ARE GREEKS BECAUSE WE ARE MACEDONIANS. ALEXANDER WAS GREEK BECAUSE HE WAS MACEDONIAN. YOU ARE NOT MACEDONIANS BECAUSE YOU ARE BULGARIANS. THAT IS THE TRUTH.

Do you think that greek propaganda as you call it would have made me so strongly believe who I am? Get a grip of the truth. Macedonian heritage is so big for you that it is sliping of your hands. Because no matter how strong a propaganda is, it is still a propaganda meaning it cannot survive independent scrutiny. Macedon has been considered hellinic for millenia when even Modern Greece (meaning the people) was still enslaved and weak. You need to grow up as a society and realise that in a democracy what survives is the truth and not propaganda. Sooner or later propaganda dies. What will you do when your society will grow up one day and realise that it based its identity on propaganda lies. Will you then start calling yourselves Americans, Russians, British, French, Serbs maybe Bulgarians or Albanians? I wonder.

Referenced. End of the day we are all the same people.
Move on form this shit. Live your life.

The Ancients For much of recorded history Europeans were a primitive bunch. For roughly a thousand years they passed through a dark age living in tribal villages, assisted by no real government, exploited by gangster lords, ignorant of the world beyond a day’s walk of their dirt floored shacks. With no written language of their own they were illiterate, superstitious, afraid of witches, magic spells, and a thousand forest spirits. Life was brutal, ugly, short.

Earlier, between about 1,000 BC (much earlier in Mesopotamia and Egypt) and when the Middle Ages began—sometime near 500 AD., tribal villages in Mediterranean Europe grew into city states, city states into nations, and nations into vast civilizing empires.

Enduring civic institutions brought stability and prosperity to millions. Prosperity brought cosmopolitan cities, roads, travel, commerce, suburbs, learning, literature, drama, representative art, engineering, architecture, mathematics, philosophy. And sophisticated religion.

We call this first great historical western flowering “Ancient Civilization.” Rome, Greece, the pyramids, Jesus, that stuff. Ancient civilization endured over 1,500 years. We call the people who lived then and there the “Ancients.”

There were Ancient Chinese too. We’re not talking about them.

That’s a big deal for a couple reasons. First, the myth of Atlas itself is an example of what associate professors call the ancients’ “cosmology”—their ideas about the fundamental structure of the universe. You won’t be surprised to hear the Ancients’ ideas about cosmology influenced their religious beliefs. Pagan and Christian.

Second, our modern error of plopping on Atlas’ shoulders the Earth rather than the Cosmos points up the profundity of our understandable misconceptions about the Ancient world. We’ve reinterpreted their myth to fit our own ideas about the structure of the universe. The way we understand the universe is deeply different from the way the ancients understood it.

Christianity is an ancient religion. If the history of religion interests you, you’ll have to get beyond modern misconceptions and reinterpretations and learn how the ancients saw the universe before you can understand how Christianity and other ancient religions were invented. Man, that’s a long sentence.

What’s wrong with this picture? Olympian Atlas holding the Earth on his shoulder—it’s an image sunk deep in western culture. But did the Greeks who came up with the myth really conceive of the Earth as a big globe Atlas could tote around?
No they didn’t.

The Greek God Atlas didn’t hold the Earth. He held the Universe—the cosmos, the celestial spheres.

What’s more, the Romans would go to the mixed- sex public baths completely naked. And, for women followers of the Goddess Cybele, having sex with a stranger at the temple was a religious act—a holy duty! And, get this, you read in the ancient texts about a man, a follower of Dionysus, dedicating a sacred penis to his mother-in-law! Go figure.

You can’t figure. It doesn’t make sense—to us. It did make sense to the ancients. That’s the point. Ancient culture was different from ours in ways we would never predict and can’t understand.

Keep that in mind while we talk about ancient times.

First of all: Get a life the lot of you, what you say might be right, but I’m afraid irrelevant to the topic.
Secondly, Mr ‘The Real Macedonia’, you clearly have not read anything from the contemporary historians that this site has uploaded. They are the most respected on this field, like Nicholas Hammond Cambridge’s former headmaster. This is the link: http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2007/08/21/80-modern-historians-about-the-greekness-of-ancient-macedonia/
What is more you did not even bother to read the previous comments on this topic, but simply post a pseudo-intellectual and failed sarcastic, yet insulting comment, for Greeks. I won’t bother to explain to you why you are historically wrong by using international (not propagandist historians) because it would fall on deaf ears. I hope that not everyone in FYROM is like you otherwise there is no possibility to make a CIVILISED conversation. Not only you don’t know Hellenic history, but you don’t even know the history which you are trying to adopt. I have to say only one thing: You certainly are amusing.

Can’t you understand? Can’t you read history? Phillip’s dream was a united Greece fighting against the Persians, he fought to occupy the other greek cities cause they would refuse to enter another war with the Persians. Dimosten was against the greek city of macedonia cause they would use all the wealth athens had, to fight the persians. Macedonia and Sparta came from a race named Dorius, Athens from Ionians, but they were ALL GREEK, Same language (ancient greek, thats why aristotle was Alexanders mentor after all), Same Religion, same blood and same race. Alexander and Phillip are greek names, go search wikipedia, britanika whatever you like, u’ll see that they are listed as greek. Plus the only REAL offsprings of Macedonians is a tribe named Galash, and they live somewhere in the middle of asia, they are the offsprings of alexanders soldiers who decided to live there. Alexanders generals were greeks, Ptolemes were greeks, alexander said his most famous moto in Greek proving that his language was greek, “I owe my life to my father and my spirit to my teacher”. The truth is that you dont believe that you are macedonians, you dont give a fuck about macedonia you just want Thessalonica, cause it will bring wealth to your country since it is a port in the meditarenian sea. Even Girgorov said that you came to the region the 6th century after christ, ffs you names end in -ov and -ski, slav names… Have fun burning greek flags, and puting swastigas on our flag, but we dont care, you are barbarians, not even pure blood slavs, you have a mix of serbo,romanian, turkish,bulgarian,albanian blood, what a wonderful coctail. Anyway the whole matter will end soon, since albania will take a huge proportion from ur land, and they wont care how to call it, they will be happy getting it. My advice, if you really want to convice the world you are true macedonians, start learning greek ;).

Alexander the great when went to Egypt he said in old ancient macedonian language “TUKA EGYPT !!! MOJ EGYPT GOLEMA NEMA PLANINATA ALI IMA PYRAMIDE !!!

FOR ALL SLAVOMACEDONIANS look how many words you have from BULGARIAN language = like father like son

By reading the gibberish of these confused Bulgarians of FYROM anyone can understand the level of brainwashing they are feeding them up there.

Someone must be really Dumb to believe a leader like Alexander went and conquered almost the entire known world to spread a “foreign” culture and a “foreign” language that neither he or his people understood. Well i comprehend that West-Bulgarians of fyrom cannot and wont ever follow the rest of the civilised world since they resort to history re-writing of the worst kind. I mean hey whenever i read a comment from one of them is like witnessing the same parrot.

Get that at last inside your empty heads. Ancient Macedonians were Greeks, thousands of inscriptions prove that, the whole world knows that and your constant denial of the obvious has made you the laughing stock of the entire planet.
Yeah tell me about changing of names…this coming from the SlavoBulgarians who changed all the Macedonian/Paeonian/Dardanian places names into Slavic and now whinning why their BulgaroSlavic names were changed back to their previous. WAKE UP BULGARS!!! before its too late.

Now please take in account the recent events. You fucked up big time. I will explain.

I mentioned in the past that the only country with real interest to your existense is GREECE. Of cource you are so brainwashed that c