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Ξέρετε ποιό είναι το αγαπημένο τραγούδι των Σκοπιανών στην FYROM???

Ένα απο τα πιο κατάπτυστα Εθνικιστικά Σκοπιανά τραγούδια το οποίο καθυβρίζει τους Έλληνες, ενώ παράλληλα επικεντρώνεται στην…προβολή της αντιπαράθεσης αρχ. Μακεδόνων - Αθηναίων στην μάχη της Χαιρώνειας με εμφανείς παραλληλισμούς προς την σημερινή εποχή!!!

Το τραγούδι είναι το… “Aleksandar Car Makedonski” της Suzana Spasovska και σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες μας απο τα Σκόπια, παίζεται συνέχεια στην Σκοπιανή Τηλεόραση και Ραδιόφωνο.

Εμείς απο την πλευρά μας να υπενθυμίσουμε στους γείτονες μας αυτό που παλεύουν να ξεχάσουν….

Όπως είχε γράψει μια αναγνώστρια μας για τους Σκοπιανούς “όσο και αν προσπαθούν να την κρύψουν, η γυφτιά δεν κρύβεται!!!”

By D-Mak

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The Yugoslav Communists implemented many measures to foster a “Macedonian” consciousness amongst the local populace in a historical context and in a region where such an ethno/national identity hardly existed.

The Communists manufactured a version of history that lent a historical legitimacy to the new “Macedonian” nation. One measure that they implemented in order to sanitize and reconstruct history for the purpose of giving the “Macedonian” nation a historical credibility was their employment of a pension plan for those who were involved in the Ilinden uprising.

In order to get the pension individuals had to fulfill conditions that basically bound them to espouse the notion that the Ilinden uprising was an “ethnic Macedonian” uprising. In reality a vast number of contemporary observers and documenters of the uprising at Krushevo did not record the uprising as an “ethnic Macedonian” rebellion. In essence the Yugoslav government offered financial incentives and advantages to those who reinterpreted the events at Kruschevo in such a manner that facilitated that agreed with new “Macedonian” historiography the government was manufacturing.

Keith Brown, in his book “The Past in Question“, goes into great detail about the events that took place at Kruschevo along with the subsequent measures taken by the communists to reconstruct the events to make the uprising appear as an “ethnic Macedonian” one. Brown spent time in FYROM studying government archives. These are some excerpts from Brown’s book regarding the “Ilinden Pension Plan”.

This is a description of the pension plan and the conditions that individuals had to fulfill in order to obtain the pension:

By Xiotis

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Some really interesting quotes on FYROM, Makedonia, Alexander…etc from Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007 edition.

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The people
Ethnicity and language

Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.

In language, religion, and history, a case could be made for identifying Macedonian Slavs with Bulgarians and to a lesser extent with Serbs. Both have had their periods of influence in the region (especially Serbia after 1918); consequently, there are still communities of Serbs (especially in Kumanovo and Skopje) and Bulgarians.

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The people who form the majority of the inhabitants of the contemporary Macedonian republic are clearly not Greeks but Slavs. However, this ecclesiastical tradition, taken together with the long period during which the region was associated with the Greek-speaking Byzantine state, and above all the brief ascendancy of the Macedonian empire (c. 359–321 BC) continue to provide Greeks with a sense that Macedonia is Greek.

 

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Yet, although the inhabitants of the present-day republic are Slavs, it remains to be determined what kind of Slavs they are. Among the short-lived states jostling for position with Byzantium were two that modern Bulgarians claim give them a special stake in Macedonia………………

 

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Vŭtreshnata Makedono-Odrinska Revolutsionna Organizatsiya secret revolutionary society that operated in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to make Macedonia an autonomous state but that later became an agent serving Bulgarian interests in Balkan politics……….

IMRO’s terrorist bands operated in conjunction with Bulgaria’s foreign policy, which was designed to force a redistribution of Macedonia.

 

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Alexander the Great
also known as Alexander III or Alexander of Macedonia king of Macedonia (336–323 BC)………………….

Life

He was born in 356 BC at Pella in Macedonia, the son of Philip II and Olympias (daughter of King Neoptolemus of Epirus). From age 13 to 16 he was taught by Aristotle, who inspired him with an interest in philosophy, medicine, and scientific investigation; but he was later to advance beyond his teacher’s narrow precept that non-Greeks should be treated as slaves.

He then marched south, recovered a wavering Thessaly, and at an assembly of the Greek League at Corinth was appointed generalissimo for the forthcoming invasion of Asia, already planned and initiated by Philip

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Alexander’s short reign marks a decisive moment in the history of Europe and Asia. His expedition and his own personal interest in scientific investigation brought many advances in the knowledge of geography and natural history. His career led to the moving of the great centres of civilization eastward and initiated the new age of the Greek territorial monarchies; it spread Hellenism in a vast colonizing wave throughout the Middle East and created, if not politically at least economically and culturally, a single world stretching from Gibraltar to the Punjab, open to trade and social intercourse and with a considerable overlay of common civilization and the Greek koinē as a lingua franca. It is not untrue to say that the Roman Empire, the spread of Christianity as a world religion, and the long centuries of Byzantium were all in some degree the fruits of Alexander’s achievement.

By Orphic Hymn

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Si la Bulgarie, après beaucoup d’hésitations et non sans regret, a fait le grand sacrifice d’abandonner Uskub, dont la population est bulgare

Documents diplomatiques français (1871-1914). By France. Commission de publication des documents relatifs aux origines de la guerre de 1914

Translation: If Bulgaria, after many hesitations and not without regret, did the great sacrifice and give up Uskub, whose population is Bulgarian

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and Uskub, the great majority of the population is Slavic, … the middle ages until 1913 called themselves and were called by their neighbors Bulgarians

The Journal of International Relations By george h. blakeslee

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..descendant of Samuil, collected an army and took the chief Bulgarian town, Skopje, and soon came to dominate Thrace, Epirus and Macedonia
A Concise History of Bulgaria (Cambridge Concise Histories) by R. J. Crampton, page 23

 

 

 

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From the book “With the Turks In Thrace”, 1913 by Ashmead-Bartlett, Ellis.

Macedonia is inhabited by Greeks and Bulgarians.

The Greeks are killing eachother with Bulgarians since these are the only ethnicities in Macedonia and for change they slaughter themselves with Turks.
Thousands of Bulgarians have migrated to Bulgaria from Macedonia.

The insurgent bands, fighting for the freedom of Macedonia against Turks are either Bulgarian or Greek!!! Again NO ‘Macedonian ethnicity’!!!

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Taken from the book “History Of Montenegro” by Francis Seymour Stevenson, 1914 

In page 24 we can find:

Stevenson makes it explicit that the Ethnicities suffering from the extension of Serbian state were Greeks, Magyars, Shkipetars and Bulgarians since unfortunately for the usual propagandists of fYROM, these were the only Ethnicities of the region. 

Its even interesting to witness the fact Stevenson mentions Skoplje when it became the new capital  on the Wardar but still there were found No “Macedonians” there but obviously Bulgarians!!!!

In page 96 we can find the issue related to the ethnicities using the Cyrilic alphabet which as the footnote states, it was being used only by Russians, Serbs, Roumanians and Bulgarians since again there is No “Macedonian ethnicity”!!

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ravestein account about european turkey

  • E. G. Ravenstein
  • Journal of the Statistical Society of London, Vol. 40, No. 3 (Sep., 1877), pp. 433-467
  • In 1877, one of the most eminent geographers and expert in population migrations, E. G. Ravenstein published in the “Journal of the Statistical Society of London” an account with statistics after years of researches in reference to the populations of Russia and European Turkey. Its quite interesting that  Ravenstein’s analytical testimonies refer to Bulgarians and their western neighbours Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and Rascians but didnt found a single “Macedonian”, whike he verifies that Thessalonica and other Macedonian cities had a predominant Greek population. On the other hand its clear, major cities of modern FYROM such as Uskub, Monastir had a predominant Bulgarian population. The Lie of ‘pseudoMacedonism’ started a little later.

     

     

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